How could NGC do this ? Do I have any recourse for this ?

justafarmer, post: 7892266, member: 3926"]Does NGC provide the service of coin conservation for free? Seems to me the best place to look to settle this part of the argument is the invoice received for NGC's grading service."

Yes, they charge so you have a great way to check if it was conserved. To my knowledge, there is ONLY ONE TPGS that often conserves coins from their customers for free if it raises the grade. Keep that to yourself.

masterswimmer, posted: "Sorry to have offended you."

That's a joke right? I'm an old man who grew up in an America before the Commies, Marxists, Liberals, Snowflakes, Crybabies, Do-Gooders, Politically Correct, and uninformed control freaks took over. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THAT YOU OR ANYONE CAN POST HERE that I would think was offensive.

Nothing! I wrote the book on abrasive, offensive behavior!

 

Log in or Sign up to hide this ad.

I said "close". I didn't say "delete".

 

No, you didn't create the argument. A couple of fools did!

 

cpm9ball, posted: "I said "close". I didn't say "delete".

Well, they are spelled the same.

 

I am not your lawyer. I can send you to a lawyer if you want. Chose one of these

http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/
https://wendy.seltzer.org/
http://www.benkler.org/
https://lessig.org/

or you can contact Aimee Aviva Zeltzer in LA and NY or my sister.

They are all in our family roladex.

I am not soliciting work for and not affiliated with any of these lawyers... not even my sister. But if you want to PAY for a lawyer who is an expert on the first amendment, those are among the best I know.

 

No I am not. I'm stating the legal facts and then stating my preference. There is no protected freedom of speech on this forum because it is privately owned. But on principle, and for good reasons, I would support that the moderators not edit someones speech unless there is an overt rules moderation. I hope that clears this up for you. I will just repeat that I am not in favor of book burning and support free speech. The idea that the speech is defamation and illegal was someone else's idea, and that is just not correct. There is no illegal speech in the US. It might yet be defamation, but with current case law, and US Supreme Court rulings, you have zero chance of winning a case of defamation or libel in the US, based on this thread. Other countries are different.

 

15-20 years ago I had a coin with nice color I sent to NCS for conservation. I can’t remember what the coin was, but was the size of a dime and was from the 1840-50 time period.

I had previously showed it to a couple collectors who suggested it may have been treated with Deller’s Darkener to cover some distraction.

The conservation process completely erased the toning, which was a nice amber color (light in the center and darker toward the rim). Under all the toning was a scratch that could now be seen.

It might be possible your coin was treated with something similar. I had other toned coins that were sent in around the same time. This dime size coin was the only one to lose its toning or color.

 

.

Don't get me involved. I don't care.
I am just hunting chances to post my brand of humor. It is not very good, but it is mine.
Besides, lawyer talk is boring, at my age, especially when the lawyer is talking.
Coin lawyering ought to have TPG and 4PG evaluation, before arguing on a coin forum.

All old people are fools, in my experience, and call younger people fools as a Rite of Passage.
That is why Florida exists.

 

Bob, didn't you post that story on Collectors Society? I think I recall reading it "way back when".

 

You don't need my help. You've done a pretty good job all on your own.

 

I’m sure I did. I wonder if their archives go back to 2006 or around that time.

 

“There is no illegal speech in the US”???? Ok go yell fire in a crowded movie theater and then make your argument

 

we will never known what happened all we can do is speak opinions which could be right or wrong or both

until someone at the grading company explains why we are just shooting in the dark with no real idea of what could, or did happen

just IMHO

and freedom of speech comes with major issues in it self just know that overstepping that fine line can cause issues so tread carefully

 

There will be NO consequences from any opinions that have been expressed on this forum thread, and no threats. No lawyer or corporate officer for a profitable business is going to waste substantial time or money chasing a defamation lawsuit because of a post on the internet, particularly when they have no chance to win such a suite.

And the forum itself is protected under the law under the DMCA et al.


I want to say more, but that would probably step on the "no politics" rule here.

 

cplradar, posted: "I am not your lawyer. I can send you to a lawyer if you want. Chose one of these

http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/
https://wendy.seltzer.org/
http://www.benkler.org/
https://lessig.org/

or you can contact Aimee Aviva Zeltzer in LA and NY or my sister.

They are all in our family roladex.

I am not soliciting work for and not affiliated with any of these lawyers... not even my sister. But if you want to PAY for a lawyer who is an expert on the first amendment, those are among the best I know."

Well you are playing like one on the coin forum and since you are a lawyer, I simply asked you to answer some questions as I always herd from others (both lawyers and those playing like one) that anyone can be sued by anyone. How you thought that might mean I need a lawyer does not register. I simply THANKED YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE. Thanks again!

Again, any ignorant fool can post libelous statements. Hopefully they don't get away with it one way (Edit, Banned) or another (Sued, Shamed).

 

slight correction:
litigation, not agitation.
Agitation would have been a Blessing, considering.

(insert smiley thingy here)

 

Wow 10 pages over this. They're not going to send it to NCS for conservation unless you checked it and paid for the service. It costs time and money to do it so they're not going to do it unless you ask for it.

Most people here, from experience buying online, realize pics of coins vary drastically depending on the lighting and often make them look like a completely different coin. Put enough light on a toned coin and it may not look toned anymore. Or if its at a certain angle.

Its very difficult to get a coin through there without problems. I have a few down there right now that I'm sweating. Almost everything not graded has some problem with it and it's almost rare to get something through straight graded. So the grade isn't a surprise at all. This is how it goes. Expensive lessons to help determine what not to send in next time.

 

I once told the Jumpmaster I have the Right to speak up.
He convinced me quite handily why I did not. No attorneys were needed in the corrective communication, only 2 Orthopedic Specialists, 1 Podiatric Surgeon, 3 Dermatologists (there was a lot of stitches) and 1 Plastic Surgeon.

I'm good. My mind has been right, ever since.

 

Yep, I did post earlier that I found the paperwork and I has checked the conservation not realizing what would happen to the coin. My fault, a costly one but won't happen again. I do have two other groups of coins that I sent in, one group coming back to me now and they are working on the others.