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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;John Burgess, post: 8234731, member: 105098&quot;]Just going to say if you aren&#039;t sure don&#039;t buy it. No reason at all to fork over the kind of money those coins would take for something uncertified. do it for peace of mind if for no other reason than to spend the money and find it was represented wrongly in the pictures 8 months from now if it ever comes back from grading at the rate these TPGs are moving, to then find out you bought a problem coin that won&#039;t straight grade.</p><p><br /></p><p>If you want to buy them ungraded, at least go see them in person and check it out in hand rather than buy them based on a website listing.... unless it&#039;s already graded.</p><p><br /></p><p>those look kind of flat, but not totally lifeless. it&#039;s possible they aren&#039;t cleaned and just terrible lighting to judge it by. either one has been a collector coin for more than 100 years. Yeah there are lower grade coins out there, but like all of those two dates should have been cared for to some degree. the 1909S looks ok as far as that&#039;s concerned, the 1914D kind of looks.... not wrong, but like a wheat cent pulled from circulation, like ones I&#039;d find roll hunting. </p><p>I think there are prettier 14Ds, graded, for similar money.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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