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<p>[QUOTE="BooksB4Coins, post: 1664787, member: 36230"]A seller return policy is essentially meaningless on ebay these days; the site has really become the world's largest on-approval service as opposed to the open sales venue it should be.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>In response to the OP's gamble question, do you honestly think the seller knowingly offered a BIN at less than 25% of the coin's real value? While it is technically possible, it's not likely. I do have a few questions...</p><p><br /></p><p>-You said this "variety", so is it safe to assume we are taking about an actual variety and not a type? If so, did the seller state that the variety is noted on the actual holder, or just on the stock image and is a self attribution? If banking on a seller-attributed coin sold with a stock photo, you should have seen a HUGE red light instead.</p><p><br /></p><p>-Did you inquire as to why a stock image was used? In this day and age there is no valid excuse for anyone selling a coin worth more than a few dollars to use a stock image. Digital cameras that can offer more than acceptable results can be had for a fraction of this coins price, so there is no reason to assume the seller (or any regular coin seller) offered cheap because he was unable to image. Even a cheapie cell phone photo says at least something to potential buyers.</p><p><br /></p><p>-I am sure you are familiar with the fact counterfeit PCGS slabs do exist, so once this coin arrives, will you be able to authenticate it on your own? Don't rely on people here; this is something you need to be able to do yourself. Another member mentioned cert numbers, and while this is always a wise move, a correct number does not necessarily mean a good coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>From this and other threads of yours, it seems as if you possess the "deal mentality", and as I've said many times in the past (including, IIRC, in some the OP's threads) when a newer collector possess the deal mentality, it is often a recipe for disaster. There are sellers out there looking to make a quick buck and who know very well that the deal mentality is everywhere today. Locally there are a number of people who actively search out newbies, especially on CL, because they are relatively easy marks. Time and time again I've seen such people fall prey because they focused more on the dancing dollar signs in their head than on the coin itself. I understand it is human nature to want a deal, but one must use their head and even more importantly, know their limitations when doing so. This is not to say you are unable, but please take what I've said as food for thought as only you can truly and honestly answer this question.</p><p><br /></p><p>-You said that this would be a $1000+ coin, but failed to mention if this is a guide value or reasonable retail market value. I've sold many coins at half trends and even told the buyers that the price was market fair, but I also knew they too were searching for the profit and if offering an honest product, it is not my responsibility to protect people from themselves. Depending on the type, date, and individual coin, any guide can be essentially meaningless, both high and low; there are some coins that I would gladly pay full trends for a properly graded specimen, and others that I will not touch at 50% bid or less, so my question is: how did you come up with this potential value?</p><p><br /></p><p>I hope that this does not come off as being harsh, but I see no reason to sugar coat. Obviously fine deals can still be had on ebay, and I truly hope this purchase turns out well for you, but in my most humble opinion, I believe the chances are quite slim of it being everything you wish. That said, I do hope I am wrong and wish you the best of luck, sir.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="BooksB4Coins, post: 1664787, member: 36230"]A seller return policy is essentially meaningless on ebay these days; the site has really become the world's largest on-approval service as opposed to the open sales venue it should be. In response to the OP's gamble question, do you honestly think the seller knowingly offered a BIN at less than 25% of the coin's real value? While it is technically possible, it's not likely. I do have a few questions... -You said this "variety", so is it safe to assume we are taking about an actual variety and not a type? If so, did the seller state that the variety is noted on the actual holder, or just on the stock image and is a self attribution? If banking on a seller-attributed coin sold with a stock photo, you should have seen a HUGE red light instead. -Did you inquire as to why a stock image was used? In this day and age there is no valid excuse for anyone selling a coin worth more than a few dollars to use a stock image. Digital cameras that can offer more than acceptable results can be had for a fraction of this coins price, so there is no reason to assume the seller (or any regular coin seller) offered cheap because he was unable to image. Even a cheapie cell phone photo says at least something to potential buyers. -I am sure you are familiar with the fact counterfeit PCGS slabs do exist, so once this coin arrives, will you be able to authenticate it on your own? Don't rely on people here; this is something you need to be able to do yourself. Another member mentioned cert numbers, and while this is always a wise move, a correct number does not necessarily mean a good coin. From this and other threads of yours, it seems as if you possess the "deal mentality", and as I've said many times in the past (including, IIRC, in some the OP's threads) when a newer collector possess the deal mentality, it is often a recipe for disaster. There are sellers out there looking to make a quick buck and who know very well that the deal mentality is everywhere today. Locally there are a number of people who actively search out newbies, especially on CL, because they are relatively easy marks. Time and time again I've seen such people fall prey because they focused more on the dancing dollar signs in their head than on the coin itself. I understand it is human nature to want a deal, but one must use their head and even more importantly, know their limitations when doing so. This is not to say you are unable, but please take what I've said as food for thought as only you can truly and honestly answer this question. -You said that this would be a $1000+ coin, but failed to mention if this is a guide value or reasonable retail market value. I've sold many coins at half trends and even told the buyers that the price was market fair, but I also knew they too were searching for the profit and if offering an honest product, it is not my responsibility to protect people from themselves. Depending on the type, date, and individual coin, any guide can be essentially meaningless, both high and low; there are some coins that I would gladly pay full trends for a properly graded specimen, and others that I will not touch at 50% bid or less, so my question is: how did you come up with this potential value? I hope that this does not come off as being harsh, but I see no reason to sugar coat. Obviously fine deals can still be had on ebay, and I truly hope this purchase turns out well for you, but in my most humble opinion, I believe the chances are quite slim of it being everything you wish. That said, I do hope I am wrong and wish you the best of luck, sir.[/QUOTE]
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