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Message:: [QUOTE="messydesk, post: 2145828, member: 1765"]"Hot Lips" refers specifically to the 1888-O VAM 4, which has very strong doubling.  1889 VAM 16 has slight doubling on the profile, perhaps visible on the lips, but not anywhere near as strong as the 88-O Hot Lips.  The overall shape of the lips on this coin appears normal to me. 89 VAM 16 also has numerous die clashes, which are rather common.  Only when they are strong enough to transfer letters from one side to the other do collectors start taking notice, and even then there may not be any value premium.  You should see several tightly grouped diagonal lines where Liberty's jaw meets the neck and a corresponding group of vertical lines on the reverse from the edge of the eagle's right (viewer's left) wing up toward the space between "In" and "God."[/QUOTE]