Horrible Ebay experience

MS65 PL/DMPL. I don't see a problem with that.

 

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no need to get so upset dj, it's nothing personal. i agree with what you pointed towards drusus and him not seeing the coin in hand...but that's exactly the reason good return policies are important.

unless it's graded by a top-tier tpg, accurate grading/comparing to price guides isn't possible without thorough inspection. with this particular coin, an ms-60 comes up in the $35.00 range. the buyer is understandably upset after inspecting the coin in hand. most collectors are finicky about how their money is spent, and i don't know very many who just roll over when they perceive they might have been taken for a ride.

 

i totally agree. after this dies down, it would be interesting to see if he stays on as a regular poster. i'm not sure if it was a good idea removing the link though. i have similar links on my own e-bay page. i used to sell quite often, (119 feedback as a seller), and i found that my forum reputation was complementary to my feedback reputation.

 

Why do you put a HIGH list price for the issue? Why don't you put greysheet list prices...if you're only concerned about "reference"? (you can PM me anytime, and I'll give you the bid/ask no problem) Also, please point to where you got a guide for "PL" coins. DMPL is another story, but you're calling that coin PL/DMPL, (you're adamant about the 65 grade, so why aren't you equally as adamant about either the PL or DMPL designation?) so how did you come up with your "trends" reference.

If you were only putting the price "reference" in the body of the auction...it would still be deceptive, but less so, in my opinion. Since you're putting it in the auction title as well, I personally believe it is deceptive enhancement of the value. Also, you don't mention that "trends" is numismatic vernacular for the former "Coin Trends" publication which is now "Coin Values" put out by Coin World. Trends isn't a verb in this particular case. It refers to the publication. "Trends" is also a deceptive word, even though it is commonly used in eBay auctions. It doesn't "trend" to those prices...as is isn't the trend for that particular issue to sell for that high.

The prices you use "for reference only" are ridiculous retail prices that are never attained and, quite frankly, you know that. Again, this is a spirited discussion, not meant to be taken as personal, although I know how hard it is not to take it personally when your ethics are in question. It happened to me on eBay a few years ago. I learned from it, and changed my selling style.

 

Maybe "trends" isn't the best word. Perhaps "lists" would be better. And I don't get the greysheet...if I did I would use it. I normally use the PCGS priceguide...I just looked and I guess my "trends" prices were a little higher than their current prices. I haven't updated my prices for a while and I guess the DMPL/PL market has gone down since I last checked--at least according to PCGS.

 

PCGS priceguide...the only priceguide I have access to since I don't get the greysheet. And I am adamant about the PL...I just edited it back in to my last post where I forgot to put it in after the MS65.

 

Fair enough. I never use the PCGS price guide, so I was unaware they have PL and DMPL listings. The reason I asked, was because I have the "Trends" guide in front of me, and they do not list a PL price.

 

Those 2 photos look so different, one looks dull, the other mirror and brilliant, I assume the real coin is in between. The sell tactic is, like it was said before, a bit misleading and not needed. Why bother at all with 'trends'. Put a very accurate picture of the coin in hand, what it is, what you think about it, and let people judge themselves...'all sales final' with no return policy would keep me from bidding on the coin anyway...

 

I think a proper return policy would have sorted out all the trouble. I use to return the whole money (including shipping) if the buyer is not satisfied with the coin.. This has been working smoothly for me and I do have a 100% feedback.. After all, we can all live without a couple of bucks..

 

i believe the eBay auction as setup could easily mislead a potential buyer. i'm glad to hear you and the buyer and working it out.

this shows that a picture is not always going to give you a true sense of the coin. as such, i'll never buy any coins via eBay. it's just not worth the risk, not even for a $2.00 nickel

-Steve

 

I will, I get good deals on ebay from sellers I trust and will, without asking the reason, refund if I want...IMO Its like the hippies say...know your dealer man....

 

lol...yeah, know your dealer man. i buy plenty on ebay, and i have a feedback score of 290 out of 623 received. i do lots of repeat business with people who've earned my trust. the only negative issues i've had dealt with non-combining of delivery charges and excessive delivery times. if you know what to watch out for and who to trust, e-bay isn't that bad of a place to shop.

 

Pardon me for sounding like a noob, but I don't collect Morgans (at least not yet). But what is DMPL?

 

DMPL = deep mirror/proof-like

when new dies are used, the first few hundred minted coins might exhibit mirror-like surfaces. the first few might even have ultra deep mirrored surfaces. but as the die gets used/broken in, subsequent coins would get less and less mirror-like.

DMPL


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edited to add comparison pic

 

I would just like to say congrats to DJcoins for not having to have any of his posts in this edited by a moderator. You are showing great restraint and maturity. Keep it up!!

 

I second that!

 

"Please view photos carefully, as the sale is final. You get exactly what you see."

I have to say I agree with the seller on this one, it said the sale is final. Although it is normal to have a return policy [and buying any coin without one is a gamble] there are some that sell them without one. If this coin had looked as pure white and frosty as the picture then I don't think we would have heard a word about this coin. As it is he took a gamble on this coin and lost. From the other pictures it still looks like a nice coin,just maybe not as pure white as first pictured. They appear to be the same coin though and so this was not a scam by any means. Lighting makes a big difference and also the angle of the picture and all that. It doesn't surprise me to see a seller put up the best pictures possible on a coin though, it happens all the time.

 

Thanks for that.

And I'd just like to find out if the OP asked for additional pics? I know that I've asked for them for items that don't cost nearly as much.

 

The issue has officially been resolved. I'm going to be sending him a check for $45 to compensate for the difference between his grade opinion and my grade opinion, and we will mutually remove the negative feedback. I'm very glad this could be worked out amicably and I plan to change the style that I list coins.

I try to keep a level head. Losing your temper never helps. I've learned that.

 

I talk it all back-- If the problem is that he thinks that it is an AU, then, I will shut up.
It looks unc to me.