Horn Silver????

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Magnus Maximus, Aug 1, 2015.

  1. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    So I have been collecting ancients for some time now but I have little idea to what "Horn silver" is. Is it like BD in that it will detroy the host coin? Can it spread? What does it look like? Does it lower the value of a coin?

    I admit it, I am completely ignorant about horn silver and would like someone to explain it to me.:pompous:
    Can some one show me a pic of what horn silver looks like vs a black patina/tarnish on a silver coin.
    Thanks guys and gals:wacky:
     
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  3. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Horn silver is a type of salt, Silver Chloride (AgCl). It's an encrustation that can develop on coins when the silver in the coin reacts with hydrogen chloride (HCL) in the ground. Coins with AgCl are typically ground finds, as HCL rarely occurs in the atmosphere. It can occur in phases: a light, non-crystalline phase, and a darker, crystalline phase. It can make a coin look pretty awful, and it's not not easy to clean, so I recommend avoiding coins that show horn silver. However, to my knowledge, it won't continue to grow, like BD, unless you expose it directly to HCL.
     
  4. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Tarnish is another type of salt, AgS, which forms on silver coins when they're exposed to sulfur. It's very easy to tell the difference between tarnish and horn silver because tarnish is only a few molecules thin, and the coin's surfaces still look smooth, even when the tarnish has gone to black. Horn silver manifests itself as encrustations that make the surface very rough. I don't have any coins with horn silver in my collection, but I did come across this image on the web...'

    horn silver.jpg

    That's a pretty bad case, and it should answer your question as to whether the coin is devalued by having horn silver deposits. The answer is always yes, but the extent of the devaluation depends on the amount of horn silver and the buyer.
     
  5. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    Many thanks JA.
    Some guy( probably joking) said that my avatar coin, which was very expensive, had horn silver.
    So that is what got me paranoid.
     
  6. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Can we see a full image of it?
     
  7. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

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    I suppose that the dark spots are just tarnish or scrapes.
     
  8. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I have no horn silver in my collection either (not that I am aware of), but I don't see any on your coin MM.
     
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  9. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    image.jpg
    On the reverse of the Valens Siliqua, it looks a little crystalized near Victory and on the obverse near DN VAL?
     
  10. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I don't see any horn silver on that coin, but the image is small. If there is any, it's minimal.
     
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  11. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    With the Valens, again, hard to say because it's a small image.
     
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  12. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  13. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    If you have a difficult time determining whether you have a horn silver problem, you probably don't have a horn silver problem. Also, rusted dies can make the surfaces of the coin appear like horn silver in texture, but generally the color of horn silver is darker than the rest of the coin.
     
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  14. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    Thanks guys.
    I suppose my friend had a point when he said I was "paranoid like Constantius II"

    JA, I think you have earned a pint or a nice cup of wine. Your choice!
     
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  15. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I've had enough, thanks. :p
     
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  16. KIWITI

    KIWITI Well-Known Member

    Jokes only a few can understand. Like crazy people jokes... jajaja;)
     
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