Log in or Sign up
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
US Coins Forum
>
Honest Question: What causes these deep flow lines? (UNC 1976 P Ike T2)
>
Reply to Thread
Message:
<p>[QUOTE="Rob Woodside, post: 7499574, member: 96187"]On a more fundamental level: Is there any relative mtion between the metal and the die? Does the metal skid across the die to where it is needed? Or does the metal roll across the surface of the die to where it is needed once the metal contacts the die? </p><p><br /></p><p>In a skid there is relative motion between the two materials at their interface. Here that's the die and planchet. In a skid an asperity attached to the die would dig a groove in the planchet and an asperity in the planchet's surface would try to dig a groove in the much harder die. This could account for one off grooves on the coin and, eventually with enough wear, parallel grooves in the die that would produce parallel ridges on the coins. A one off scratch on a coin won't produce chatoyancy, but the die will eventually wear with many parallel scratches producing the observed chatoyancy.</p><p><br /></p><p>However we learn from fluid mechanics that in non turbulent flow the boundary layer of fluid around a static body is at rest with the body. It is hard to think of the short distance flow that fills the die as turbulent. So here the metal contacting the die stops still and the metal atoms away from the die surface then roll across one another to where they are needed. In this case the die would faithfully express its ridges as grooves and its grooves as ridges. This cannot account for the observed build up of parallel wear lines on the die that should produce riges on the coin giving it chatoyancy.</p><p><br /></p><p>Maybe a metallurgist could tell us whether metal skids or rolls as it fills a die on striking?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Rob Woodside, post: 7499574, member: 96187"]On a more fundamental level: Is there any relative mtion between the metal and the die? Does the metal skid across the die to where it is needed? Or does the metal roll across the surface of the die to where it is needed once the metal contacts the die? In a skid there is relative motion between the two materials at their interface. Here that's the die and planchet. In a skid an asperity attached to the die would dig a groove in the planchet and an asperity in the planchet's surface would try to dig a groove in the much harder die. This could account for one off grooves on the coin and, eventually with enough wear, parallel grooves in the die that would produce parallel ridges on the coins. A one off scratch on a coin won't produce chatoyancy, but the die will eventually wear with many parallel scratches producing the observed chatoyancy. However we learn from fluid mechanics that in non turbulent flow the boundary layer of fluid around a static body is at rest with the body. It is hard to think of the short distance flow that fills the die as turbulent. So here the metal contacting the die stops still and the metal atoms away from the die surface then roll across one another to where they are needed. In this case the die would faithfully express its ridges as grooves and its grooves as ridges. This cannot account for the observed build up of parallel wear lines on the die that should produce riges on the coin giving it chatoyancy. Maybe a metallurgist could tell us whether metal skids or rolls as it fills a die on striking?[/QUOTE]
Your name or email address:
Do you already have an account?
No, create an account now.
Yes, my password is:
Forgot your password?
Stay logged in
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
US Coins Forum
>
Honest Question: What causes these deep flow lines? (UNC 1976 P Ike T2)
>
Home
Home
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Activity
Recent Posts
Forums
Forums
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Posts
Competitions
Competitions
Quick Links
Competition Index
Rules, Terms & Conditions
Gallery
Gallery
Quick Links
Search Media
New Media
Showcase
Showcase
Quick Links
Search Items
Most Active Members
New Items
Directory
Directory
Quick Links
Directory Home
New Listings
Members
Members
Quick Links
Notable Members
Current Visitors
Recent Activity
New Profile Posts
Sponsors
Menu
Search
Search titles only
Posted by Member:
Separate names with a comma.
Newer Than:
Search this thread only
Search this forum only
Display results as threads
Useful Searches
Recent Posts
More...