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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;jgenn, post: 3052278, member: 78525&quot;]Portrait 8 reales, especially Charles IIII with the Mo (Mexico City) mintmark, are a numismatic conundrum.&nbsp; On one hand you have the argument by Bob Gurney that very well made, full weight and correct silver content counterfeits were made in large quantities during the late 1800s up to the 1930s for the China trade where they would get significant premium over other types of silver trade dollars.&nbsp; And on the other hand you have many collectors, dealers and TPGs that will make a judgement on authenticity based on appearance and weight -- which may be adequate to detect modern forgeries or contemporary counterfeits.</p><p><br /></p><p>Bob&#039;s argument is well researched (get his book or at least read <a href="http://goccf.com/t/86977#715386" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://goccf.com/t/86977#715386" rel="nofollow">this thread</a>) and he has second-hand knowledge of the &quot;Boston&quot; ring.&nbsp; I am convinced and would be a real true believe if I could get affordable, lab quality, XRF results on some of the 8 reales in my collection. However, we seem to be in a period similar to the Morgan Micro O counterfeits before they became widely acknowledged. My personal conundrum is what to do with the 8 reales that I purchased as genuine that I now believe to be of this type of counterfeit.</p><p><br /></p><p>Note: I am not offering an opinion on the OP&#039;s coin at this time other than I am in agreement with most that it appears to have the correct design.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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