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<p>[QUOTE="omahaorange, post: 1341339, member: 28199"]Let's take a look at some of the things you said:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Keep in mind most estate auctions are exactly that, liquidating the estate of a (usually) deceased person. Usually it's the family who hires the auctioneer because they want to get rid of the stuff quickly. Guess what, as the family, they have every right to liquidate (or "take") their loved one's assets.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>So, are you actually a collector, or looking to buy and make a profit. The old adage "it takes money to make money" holds true today. You won't get rich on a limited budget, no matter how hard you try.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>They eliminate good deals for you. I'm inclined to believe if they were willing to pull the trigger, they thought it was a good deal for them. I'm not convinced you're not mad.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Here's the flaw in this thinking...if you beat a dealer's bid at an auction, you can bet you got a pretty good deal, as dealers usually won't pay more than they think they can get a comfortable profit margin from. You won't get $5 Morgans, but you will probably have paid less than retail.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Dangerous strategy. Auction regulars know when this happens, and will play the same game with you. Watch you don't get stuck with something you cannot afford.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Not greedy? Are you saying that because I have more money than you (irregardless of how I legitimately got it) I should be forced to pay more for the same items you want? But this makes you sound envious of those with money. Understand I do not care about your current financial situation. But don't hate the people who were able to work and save, or made wise investments, or even inherited their money from other family members (who, no doubt, worked for that). Again, $27 is NOT an unreasonable price for Peace dollars, as they retail for $35. Seems to me this couple made some pretty good buys. Might be one of the reasons they have "7 figures" in their bank account.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The good and the bad what? Again, there was nothing wrong with the auction you described.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Again, your financial situation is a moot point. This has nothing to do with auction prices. Either find another job, or live within your means. If you're young and just starting out, work your way up the ladder, we all did. If you're laid off due to the economy, I am truly sorry but in my area fast food places, convenience stores, and other service-related industries are always hiring. But again, if this is the case, buying coins should be very low on your priority list.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Why? Why should these people be singled out and excluded from auctions? So you can go in and steal the bargains? Seriously, if somebody tried to tell me what to do with the money I worked hard to earn, they probably won't like my attitude.</p><p><br /></p><p>Do you understand how an auction works? The auctioneer is hired by the owner of the merchandise, and charged with selling the items at the best price he can. He makes his money by taking a percentage of the total auction take, usually ranging from 12-35%. That's from the gross sales. So obviously, the auctioneer wants to get the best possible prices for this merchandise. Ever notice how the actioneer builds and plays the crowd? You've complained about a "buyer's premium". Do you know what that is? By law a buyer's premium has to be disclosed. It's your responsibility to read the terms and conditions. It's an added cost by the auctioneer to increase his profit, usually passing on a smaller percentage of the sales to the seller (and yes, it's a capitalist society, you are allowed to make money. If this doesn't appeal to you, don't attend auctions). They aren't yard sales, nor are they give-away events. Sure, there are bargains to be had, but with the amount of information available today, people know (or have a general idea) what they're bidding on. I can check current coin pricing on my smart phone, from my seat at the auction. One of my new pastimes is to go to a local auction on a Saturday, then go to the local flea market on Sunday and see what the buyers at yesterday's auction are asking for the stuff above what I know they paid for it 24 hours prior. Alot of bidders are there to resell the stuff they buy on eBay. These are probably the biggest reasons auctions go over well today. Is this fair? Why not? I lose some stuff I wanted, but guess what, another will come up another day. I actually came home from an auction featuring coins and said to my wife "Pack up my collection, I'm taking it to Dean's! With the prices he's getting today I can sell all my stuff, and afford to start over!" Yep, it was that bad. Didn't buy anything that day. But I didn't lose any sleep over it, either.</p><p><br /></p><p>Honestly, all I get from your posts is a sense of entitlement, that you think the world owes you something because some have it better than you. Maybe you have legitimate questions, and your presentation doesn't reflect them. But I'm thinking from reading all your posts that my initial impression is closer.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="omahaorange, post: 1341339, member: 28199"]Let's take a look at some of the things you said: Keep in mind most estate auctions are exactly that, liquidating the estate of a (usually) deceased person. Usually it's the family who hires the auctioneer because they want to get rid of the stuff quickly. Guess what, as the family, they have every right to liquidate (or "take") their loved one's assets. So, are you actually a collector, or looking to buy and make a profit. The old adage "it takes money to make money" holds true today. You won't get rich on a limited budget, no matter how hard you try. They eliminate good deals for you. I'm inclined to believe if they were willing to pull the trigger, they thought it was a good deal for them. I'm not convinced you're not mad. Here's the flaw in this thinking...if you beat a dealer's bid at an auction, you can bet you got a pretty good deal, as dealers usually won't pay more than they think they can get a comfortable profit margin from. You won't get $5 Morgans, but you will probably have paid less than retail. Dangerous strategy. Auction regulars know when this happens, and will play the same game with you. Watch you don't get stuck with something you cannot afford. Not greedy? Are you saying that because I have more money than you (irregardless of how I legitimately got it) I should be forced to pay more for the same items you want? But this makes you sound envious of those with money. Understand I do not care about your current financial situation. But don't hate the people who were able to work and save, or made wise investments, or even inherited their money from other family members (who, no doubt, worked for that). Again, $27 is NOT an unreasonable price for Peace dollars, as they retail for $35. Seems to me this couple made some pretty good buys. Might be one of the reasons they have "7 figures" in their bank account. The good and the bad what? Again, there was nothing wrong with the auction you described. Again, your financial situation is a moot point. This has nothing to do with auction prices. Either find another job, or live within your means. If you're young and just starting out, work your way up the ladder, we all did. If you're laid off due to the economy, I am truly sorry but in my area fast food places, convenience stores, and other service-related industries are always hiring. But again, if this is the case, buying coins should be very low on your priority list. Why? Why should these people be singled out and excluded from auctions? So you can go in and steal the bargains? Seriously, if somebody tried to tell me what to do with the money I worked hard to earn, they probably won't like my attitude. Do you understand how an auction works? The auctioneer is hired by the owner of the merchandise, and charged with selling the items at the best price he can. He makes his money by taking a percentage of the total auction take, usually ranging from 12-35%. That's from the gross sales. So obviously, the auctioneer wants to get the best possible prices for this merchandise. Ever notice how the actioneer builds and plays the crowd? You've complained about a "buyer's premium". Do you know what that is? By law a buyer's premium has to be disclosed. It's your responsibility to read the terms and conditions. It's an added cost by the auctioneer to increase his profit, usually passing on a smaller percentage of the sales to the seller (and yes, it's a capitalist society, you are allowed to make money. If this doesn't appeal to you, don't attend auctions). They aren't yard sales, nor are they give-away events. Sure, there are bargains to be had, but with the amount of information available today, people know (or have a general idea) what they're bidding on. I can check current coin pricing on my smart phone, from my seat at the auction. One of my new pastimes is to go to a local auction on a Saturday, then go to the local flea market on Sunday and see what the buyers at yesterday's auction are asking for the stuff above what I know they paid for it 24 hours prior. Alot of bidders are there to resell the stuff they buy on eBay. These are probably the biggest reasons auctions go over well today. Is this fair? Why not? I lose some stuff I wanted, but guess what, another will come up another day. I actually came home from an auction featuring coins and said to my wife "Pack up my collection, I'm taking it to Dean's! With the prices he's getting today I can sell all my stuff, and afford to start over!" Yep, it was that bad. Didn't buy anything that day. But I didn't lose any sleep over it, either. Honestly, all I get from your posts is a sense of entitlement, that you think the world owes you something because some have it better than you. Maybe you have legitimate questions, and your presentation doesn't reflect them. But I'm thinking from reading all your posts that my initial impression is closer.[/QUOTE]
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