History You Can Touch: a Nero As with A Vespasian Counterstamp

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Eduard, Feb 12, 2017.

  1. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    A number of years ago at a local coin show I came upon a seller who among other offerings, had a box containing badly worn and corroded ancients. There really was not much in there, but going through the box I spotted the unmistakable portrait of Nero.
    I noticed the coin had a 'disturbance' or depressed area in front of the bust, and presumed that is why it had been placed in this 'junk' box.
    In spite of that the corrosion I bought the coin because, hey, it was a Nero, and with a very decent portrait to boot, and for that low price I was not about to leave it behind.

    So the coin landed in my own 'junk' box where it lay for a few weeks (or months, I don't remember)..... one day, while going thru this box of mine I picked up the coin again and noticed the disturbance had in fact some regular edges, and this aroused my interest.
    I took the coin to the next show and showed it to some buddies of mine who promptly identified the 'disturbance' as a Vespasian countermark.

    You can see from the picture that the coin, an As of Nero minted at Lugdunum is quite worn, the reverse is badly corroded and difficult to make out. The obverse, fortunately, bears a nice portrait of Nero, and the counterstamp, placed in front of the bust I have confirmed as being a c/m for Vespasian, with the emperors name 'VESPA' in ligature. The c/m is weak and parts of it are missing or weakly struck, but this is unmistakably a Vespasian countermark.

    So what does this VESPA countermark mean, and who put it there, and when?
    What I have learnt (the internet can be a fantastic source of information!) is that this particular countermark is thought to have been applied on coinage of Nero by troops loyal to Vespasian during the Civilis Uprising in the years 69 and 70.

    Gaius Julius Civilis was a romanized Batavian nobleman (The Batavi inhabited an area along the delta of the Rhine river) who held a commanding post in the Roman Army, leading a cohort of Batavians.

    You can read more about his deeds in the attached link, but the essence of the story is the following: in an attempt to gain independence for his native land, Civilis rose against the Roman Legions in Germania Inferior stationed at Castra Vetera, Bonna, and Mogontiacum.

    After initial successes against the legions who supported Vitellius in the lower Rhine area (an action which actually tolerated by Vespasian as he himself was also fighting Vitellius), Civilis then became more ambitious and decided to attack the bulk of the Roman army.
    This was an action which Vespasian could not tolerate. Vespasian was fresh from subduing the Uprising in Judaea, and could now turn his attention to defeating the uprising in Germania. This he did.


    Civilis was defeated, and the uprising came to an end.

    This Counterstamp, which is almost exclusively found on Nero asse of Lugdunum, was issued by the legions supporting Vespasian in this struggle.
    All known examples have been found in the lower Rhine area, and all show the c/m carefully placed in front of Nero's bust so as not to deface it. This is thought to be a reflection of the fact that there was fidelity for the deposed Nero within the ranks of Vespasian's legions.

    This little coin thus bears witness to the tremendous struggles which took place in the year of the 4-Emperors: the subduing of the Batavian republic and defeat of its leader Civilis, and the rise of Vespasian.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_of_the_Batavi

    I have attached pictures of a better preserved example so you can appreciate the fully struck c/m.

    Nero Victory As - Countermark - Obv - 1.jpg Nero Victory As - Countermark - Rev - 1.jpg Nero Victory As - Countermark - close up - 1.jpg



    2015061.jpg
     
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2017
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    A few more examples of Nero asse with the VESPA countermark.

    3059911.m.jpg 115477.jpg
     
    Ajax, chrsmat71, Pellinore and 17 others like this.
  4. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Wonderful find, Eduard. Even better it was just a junk bin find that turned out to be special.
     
    Curtisimo and panzerman like this.
  5. medoraman

    medoraman Well-Known Member

    Cool topic, thank you. I hadn't noticed them before, but now if I do I will know what I am looking at. :)
     
    Curtisimo and panzerman like this.
  6. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    What a great find and a cool coin! It hardly seems appropriate for relegation to anyone's junk box.

    I wonder if @YOC could work some magic on it, should you wish to make the hard green coating go away. I bet the reverse could be improved. As-is though it is still a wonderful coin.
     
    Eduard, Curtisimo and panzerman like this.
  7. icerain

    icerain Mastir spellyr

    Interesting countermark and good catch.
     
    panzerman likes this.
  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Thanks for the write-up. Cool history and info. I love countermarks. Excellent bargain bin!
     
    Eduard and panzerman like this.
  9. alde

    alde Always Learning

    Thank you Eduard for the interesting history lesson. It makes me want to learn more and find an example of the coin. I would imagine they are quite scarce though.
     
    Eduard and panzerman like this.
  10. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    I learned something new today, great history/coins:shame: I was born in the medieval town of Julich (Cleve-Berg) which is full of interesting history. My dad, found some Roman artifacts while digging a foundation for his garden shed....sadly no coins:(
     
    Eduard and Pellinore like this.
  11. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Great post and neat coin!
     
    Eduard likes this.
  12. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    What a nice save Eduard! Here's my VESP monogram but on a Nero Securitas Dupondius from Lugdunum. NeroVespCountermark.jpg
     
    icerain, Ajax, TIF and 10 others like this.
  13. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Fantastic find!

    Last year after coming across a denarius of Vespasian with a Vespasian countermark (!) I fell in love with cm coins.

    V1431a.jpg Vespasian (countermarked)
    AR Denarius, 3.06g
    Ephesus Mint, 71 AD; Countermarked under Vespasian at Ephesus, circa 74-79 AD
    RIC 1431 (C), BMC 457, RSC 276, RPC 833 (14 spec.); c/m: GIC 839
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPAS AVG COS III TR P P P; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.; c/m: IMP·VES (ligate)
    Rev: PACI AVGVSTAE; Victory, draped, advancing r., holding wreath extended in r. hand and palm over l. shoulder. EPHE lower r.
    Acquired from Ancient Imports, November 2016.

    Researching them is quite a blast, as you well know!
     
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2017
    icerain, Ajax, zumbly and 10 others like this.
  14. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    Great story, proving once again that no matter how modest, and no matter what condition or price range, every coin tells a story.
     
    alde likes this.
  15. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Thank you all very much for your comments.

    David, that is an very interesting countermark on your vespasian denarius:
    ''Extremely rare. Only a few known eastern mint denarii, which have been mistakenly countermarked with his own monogram''.
    Congratulations! a very rare c/m, and much more so on a Ephesus denarius.

    Nemo, as you may know, the majority of VESPA c/m's known appear to have been applied to Nero asse of the Victoria type. Very few are known on other coinage of Nero. You have a very scarce, and appealing example there!

    Out of ignorance, I have paid little attention until now to counter-marked roman coinage. In a way a considered such examples 'damaged' or defaced, when in fact, they hold great fascination: counter marked coins are witnesses to defined events in history, and give us a direct link to those events. For a history enthusiast like myself that is fascinating.

    It was a great thrill finding this coin (in a junk box!). I shall keep my eyes (more) open from now on.



     
    David Atherton, Nemo and Alegandron like this.
  16. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Wow, cool. I have visited that town!
     
  17. YOC

    YOC Well-Known Member

    I think this coin would have responded when it was heavily encrusted, but an attempt has been made to clean it already and has removed the crust, but also pitted the surface. .... this makes it a no goer for the YOC RCP... ;)
     
    TIF likes this.
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page