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Message:: [QUOTE="mrbrklyn, post: 453552, member: 4381"]I agree with everything but the MS 67.  And let me explain why. 69,68 and 67s have to have incredible strikes, highly unlikely for busiess strikes found in random rolls.  Up to 66 the strikes in the grading are balanced in the market grading system.  Coins known to have weak strikes are discounted for that likelihood, such as the case in New Orleans Morgans.  Once you get about 67 though, whether written in the standards or not, graders start putting significant emphasis on the strike quality, AND, it has to be visibly at first close look without any hits.  If you tilt it in the light you might see a hit, or look closely at a letter their might  be a scratch, but from general appearance it should look  perfect, and that is very low probability with normal handling, especially with soft metals. Might you find a 67,68, or 69 in a roll.  As you  point out, they have to come from somewhere and there is some theoretical statistical odds that you can measure.  But that is a quantum leap in odds from a 66 and down, and that is the essence of his question.   What is the best he can expect to find in a roll, which assumes there is some reasonable limit on his time and patiences    then I'd still say a 65, MAYBE a 66 if he's very lucky.  If he finds a 67 in a years worth of looking, man, he should play the lottery. Odds on any random roll?  Good luck finding a 63... Ruben[/QUOTE]