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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Severus Alexander, post: 3514622, member: 84744&quot;]Yes, there are items with as-sized dies (and even flans) with no SC.&nbsp; <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5292990" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5292990" rel="nofollow">Here&#039;s</a> an example:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]932703[/ATTACH]</p><p>And here&#039;s another from Toynbee&#039;s plates:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]932716[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Gnecchi required the lack of an SC to categorize something as a medallion, but Toynbee disagrees with that criterion; she says there are pieces having the same function – in fact nearly identical in fabric, style, and content – which include SC.</p><p><br /></p><p>She&#039;s not entirely happy with the term &quot;medallion&quot;, given that its modern connotations can be misleading, but she grudgingly accepts the term applied to special presentation pieces, which &quot;stand apart from the regular currency.&quot;&nbsp; If by &quot;donative issue&quot; you mean special gift pieces, she doesn&#039;t distinguish between those and medallions.&nbsp; (Of course there would have been regular currency distributed as a donative to the populace, or maybe even special issues as donatives – certainly to the legions – but I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any reason to suppose they had any medallic qualities in style or fabric?)</p><p><br /></p><p>She thinks the &quot;pseudo-medallions&quot; (her term) were the earliest presentation pieces; you don&#039;t see regular medallions until Hadrian. Under Augustus for example, you just see things <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=584049" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=584049" rel="nofollow">like this</a>, an as struck on a sestertius flan (like my coin):</p><p>[ATTACH=full]932704[/ATTACH]</p><p>Gradually the presentation pieces become fancier, with special subjects &amp; engraving (not regular coin dies), but the pseudo-medallions still occur, though they become less common, with a bit of a resurgence under the Severan dynasty.&nbsp; Here&#039;s a late one of Trebonianus Gallus, from her plates:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]932710[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Here&#039;s what she says about &quot;medallic coins,&quot; a separate category:</p><blockquote><p><font size="3"><br /></font></p><p><font size="3">Medallic coins are here defined as coins of normal, or slightly supra-normal, weight and size, showing normal reverse types, but with obverse portraits which are either distinctively medallic in style or struck from definite medallion dies. Such pieces cannot be classed as medallions. They are not, with a very few exceptions, set apart structurally from the regular currency, as are the pseudo medallions, nor are they differentiated from ordinary coins, as are the bronze medallions proper, by medallic style in both obverse and reverse types and by the content of the reverse design. Moreover, such combinations of medallion obverse with coin reverse are extremely spasmodic and rare. In fact, in these isolated instances of medallion obverse dies applied to common coins we seem to encounter genuine &quot;freaks&quot; or, at the most, experiments in imparting to normal pieces a medallic aspect without lifting them out of the category of current coinage of the realm; and the same idea would appear to lie behind coins the obverses of which are executed in true medallion style, but for which specific known medallion dies have not been employed.</font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>Maybe this is why you say you see no medallions here.&nbsp; (I do think my 18g SA qualifies, though.)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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