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<p>[QUOTE="calcol, post: 2429326, member: 77639"]Watched the Pogue auction at Stacks-Bowers yesterday. 1804 $1 was hammered "sold" for about $10.6 million and 1822 $5 was hammered "sold" for about $7.3 million. Shortly after the auction ended, prices realized were posted and both coins were labeled as "passed". There could be a number of reasons for this, like a title dispute, authenticity doubts, bidder unable to pay, etc.. However, it's exceedingly likely there was a hidden reserve on both coins, which is what is said in the popular press.</p><p><br /></p><p>Stacks-Bowers terms and conditions allow this, but it leaves a bad impression. No way that I could begin to bid in this range. But some of the bidders had to have given a lot of thought to how much they would pay and what assets would be liquidated to pay for the coin. The bidding process for both coins was prolonged as bidders had a tough time deciding whether to raise their bids as the total rose. The high bidders on the two coins must have been shocked to find out after the auction that they weren't going to get the coins after all. I know it's hard to feel sorry for folks that can spend millions on coins, but the same thing could happen with $500 coins in an auction. It's also possible that some bidders were museums or other non-profits rather than collectors or dealers.</p><p><br /></p><p>Reuters news agency described the 1804 $1 as being over 200 years old .... a reasonable assumption.</p><p><br /></p><p>Stacks-Bowers has stated the coins will not be in a future auction and will be returned to Pogue. My speculation is that Pogue has standing private offers on the coins and wanted to see if he could get more at auction; hence, the reserves. It would have been better if the reserves had been announced prior to the auction though.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="calcol, post: 2429326, member: 77639"]Watched the Pogue auction at Stacks-Bowers yesterday. 1804 $1 was hammered "sold" for about $10.6 million and 1822 $5 was hammered "sold" for about $7.3 million. Shortly after the auction ended, prices realized were posted and both coins were labeled as "passed". There could be a number of reasons for this, like a title dispute, authenticity doubts, bidder unable to pay, etc.. However, it's exceedingly likely there was a hidden reserve on both coins, which is what is said in the popular press. Stacks-Bowers terms and conditions allow this, but it leaves a bad impression. No way that I could begin to bid in this range. But some of the bidders had to have given a lot of thought to how much they would pay and what assets would be liquidated to pay for the coin. The bidding process for both coins was prolonged as bidders had a tough time deciding whether to raise their bids as the total rose. The high bidders on the two coins must have been shocked to find out after the auction that they weren't going to get the coins after all. I know it's hard to feel sorry for folks that can spend millions on coins, but the same thing could happen with $500 coins in an auction. It's also possible that some bidders were museums or other non-profits rather than collectors or dealers. Reuters news agency described the 1804 $1 as being over 200 years old .... a reasonable assumption. Stacks-Bowers has stated the coins will not be in a future auction and will be returned to Pogue. My speculation is that Pogue has standing private offers on the coins and wanted to see if he could get more at auction; hence, the reserves. It would have been better if the reserves had been announced prior to the auction though.[/QUOTE]
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