Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by The Penny Lady®, Jun 5, 2009.
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My eyes just fell out, of the ole' noggin!
That is a beauty!
Didn't know a memorial penny, could look so good...
WOW, Todd is FAST too
I wish some of mine would tone like that.:kewl:
Sorry bro- I don't think hardly anyone would agree with the opinion you stated. Those coins are far from AT or cleaned. That toning is through exact right conditions. That kind of toning is rare. Have Rick Snow jump on this post and comment. I'll PM him. Just MHO's
(the fact that its a DDO is pretty neat too I guess )
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I would like to know what exactly makes you think some or all of these coins are AT. I personally don't think they are AT but I am also not a collector of copper coins and my knowledge regarding copper toning is not on the same level as my knowledge of silver toning.
I feel compelled to ask. You state that the TPG's opinion of the originality of the toning is not important, only the eye appeal of the coin. My question is this: does that mean that you don't care if the coin is actually AT vs NT as long as it is eye appealing? Phrased another way, if someone showed you definitive indisputable proof that one of these coins was AT, would your opinion of the coin change?
PS. I love them all.
Even the top third party graders PCGS and NGC cannot agree on that. I guess the best way I can try to answer your question is this: If I like the way a coin looks - and I have my own personal criteria as to what that includes (such as luster, color, strike, minimal marks and spots, overall eye appeal, and more) - and then someone came by and said here is a photo of what that coin looked like yesterday and I just used such and such chemical to make that coin look toned today, first of all, of course, I would ask how did they do that, but my original opinion of the coin's beauty would not change. However, one question that does give me pause in this scenario is, is the toning permanent or is it simply applied to the surface and can be wiped off? Perhaps that should be part of the criteria in determining what artificial toning is, but then that might mean some sort of damage to the surface. Just something else to consider.
As I stated before, it does not matter to me for my own personal collection, but I can understand why collectors who may not be as experienced with copper would want to stick with slabbed coins. I am comfortable with purchasing raw copper as much as I am in purchasing slabbed copper. I will admit that I sometimes have to pay more for toned slabbed copper. By the way, I do caution my own customers who purchase raw toned coins not to be surprised if PCGS or NGC won't grade them, but if they are really intent on getting toned coins holdered, I suggest that they try NGC first as they are more lenient with toned coins. I personally think that PCGS is not as well versed with copper as NGC, but that's a discussion for another day.
Toned coins continue to be controversial and there are people who are really good at chemically creating beautifully toned coins. I'm not saying that that's a good thing at all, and who knows what those coins will look like in the years to come and what it will do to their value. Again, let's save that for some other string. I'm just saying that I personally choose toned coins for my own collection because I like the way they look, holdered or raw, I am just happy to have a beautifully eye appealing coin.
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