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<p>[QUOTE="lrbguy, post: 3110321, member: 88829"]The Wikipedia paragraph is poorly written because it conflates too many phenomena into a single paragraph. They mention the formation of a green pigment on copper by the addition of acetic acid, and give the impression that the copper salt formed is a carbonate. ??? Not so. It is a copper acetate. But they jumped the thought, and blew it. Altay is quite correct that Bronze Disease concerns the product produced when copper is acted upon by chloride ions. Verdigris is a common name for a whole class of substances chemically distinct from the two valence state copper chlorides. It is physically hard and only operates on the outer surface of a coin, forming a shell that will not progress deeper unless physically disturbed in a way that exposes the bare copper again. The chloride that is BD on the other hand, when exposed to humidity, produces an acid that will act on metal it contacts. The destruction is self sustaining, and will continue until all the copper is chemically used up, or it is arrested by external chemical alteration.</p><p><br /></p><p>[USER=33176]@Kentucky[/USER], I urge you to help set the record straight on the difference between bronze disease and verdigris by abandoning the all too common tendency among uninformed collectors to conflate the two. Coins are being mishandled.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="lrbguy, post: 3110321, member: 88829"]The Wikipedia paragraph is poorly written because it conflates too many phenomena into a single paragraph. They mention the formation of a green pigment on copper by the addition of acetic acid, and give the impression that the copper salt formed is a carbonate. ??? Not so. It is a copper acetate. But they jumped the thought, and blew it. Altay is quite correct that Bronze Disease concerns the product produced when copper is acted upon by chloride ions. Verdigris is a common name for a whole class of substances chemically distinct from the two valence state copper chlorides. It is physically hard and only operates on the outer surface of a coin, forming a shell that will not progress deeper unless physically disturbed in a way that exposes the bare copper again. The chloride that is BD on the other hand, when exposed to humidity, produces an acid that will act on metal it contacts. The destruction is self sustaining, and will continue until all the copper is chemically used up, or it is arrested by external chemical alteration. [USER=33176]@Kentucky[/USER], I urge you to help set the record straight on the difference between bronze disease and verdigris by abandoning the all too common tendency among uninformed collectors to conflate the two. Coins are being mishandled.[/QUOTE]
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