Help with this Ancient Bronze Owl

Hi. The ancient Greek Owl used to always remind me of the silver Tetradrachm of Athena. I know there are also silver similar drachms. But this attached coin is made of bronze. Could you please help me identify it and determine the denomination. Thank you very much .. Charles

 

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Didn't recognize it immediately. But gave it a shot:
The portrait with the spikey crown => Later Seleukid Kings. =>Most of these are called Antiochos or Demetrios. And indeed left of the owl is a name which can be read as "ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΑΝΤΙΟΧΟΥ". Now which one ? Next to the head of the owl is "AI" and to the right of the owl seems to be another name. If the AI is part of "KAI" this means and. => So Antiochus and a co-regent. The most imortant coregency is that of Cleopatra Thea. And indeed the part right of the owl can be read as ΒΑΣΙΛΙΣΣΗΣ ΚΛΕΟΠΑΤΡΑΣ.
Final result: Seleucid, Cleopatra Thea + Antiochus VIII, 125-121 BC.

 

Thanks THC. I could not imagine so a comprehensive and quick response. The coin weighs 5.70 g. Did it have any denomination ?
Charles

 

I have a nice pair of Hooters!!

Kleopatra Thea & Antiochos VIII
125-121 BC

 

Steve.. Nice coins. You know surely their denominations ?
Charles

 

Thanks, 7C ...

=> ummm, both of my examples are "22" mm in diameter (8.12 grams & 8.21 grams)

??? ... could be a different denomination?

=> I merely have my coins listed as AE22

 

I am starting to buy a considerable number of raw ancient Greeks like this. Could you assist me to guess the value of the coin I just posted above. Thanks a lot.
Charles

 

What did you pay for it? That amount is its value. I don't think there are any real valuations for these coins.

 

But I would pay extra for Stevex6' hooter coins and some

 

Market-wise, I would say in the $50 range IF it was cleaned up some more. It seems to have a lot of strong detail. If you get rid of most of the encrustation it would be a very pleasing coin. As it stands, I wouldn't buy it at all because I really don't relish cleaning coins.

 

Just an opinion but I'd pay 2-4x for Steve's dated coins with clear legends than for one that might have more detail hiding and might not. There are many less appealing Greek Bronzes so it is fair to ask 2-4x what number but I would have to agree with JA that any value depends on what is under the crust and I would not risk much on what I see as hints of what may be below. To get $50 for such a coin you will have to find someone who wants it a lot worse than I do. At $10, you'll get more interest. Cleaning it could ruin it but, were it mine, I would try.

 

yes, agree with DS, I would attempt a cleaning as well. I think you will have luck making that one look better, the dirt looks like it would come off fairly easily.

 

I think that I got the answer. Hope we would be chatting very soon.
Charles

 

Hello again. I just cleaned the coin gently with a soft toothbrush, and that's what I've got. What do you say ? Charles

 

I really don't notice any/much difference ... however, I do think that your coin is quite nice (I would be afraid of ruining it by being too aggressive, but some dudes seem to have a lot of patience and could probably continue to clean that coin without wrecking it) ...

7C => I wish you luck on whatever course you take ...

Cheers

 

I'd add a distilled water soak and a toothpick to your arsenal. but even if not, I'm with stevex ...it's a nice coin.

 

You need something like a scalpel - in order to ablate the dirt under a microscope layer by layer. A needle of single-used syringe might also work. It is definitely worth trying it out but you need patience. This cleaning will take at least some afternoons. Most important is that you work slowly.

 

I like it just fine. It's a real old coin that has been buried. It's authentic. Whoooo

 

https://www.scribd.com/doc/76874474/A-Seleucid-Coin-From-Karur

 

Welcome JFT. Thanks for the link.