help with Sasanian

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  1. Voulgaroktonou

    Voulgaroktonou Well-Known Member

    Dear Coin Talk friends,
    May I impose upon the Sasanian experts out there by asking for attribution help for the 4 coins whose photos are attached? These are out quite out of my field of study. The 2nd, 3rd, and 4th coins came with tentative attributions to Khusru II. Because I can not read any of their inscriptions, which include, I would imagine, the sovereigns' names and titles, as well as probable dates and mint designations, I would be most grateful for any members' help in their deciphering, as well as suggestions for reference works for the series should I ever acquire any more. With thanks in advance, Mike 01o.JPG
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  3. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    All four are Khusro II (unsurprisingly, his drachms are by far the most common Sasanian coins). Here's my reading of the mint marks:

    1. BBA= Court Mint (itinerant, moved with the king)
    2. AY= Airan Khurra Shahpur (near Susa)
    3. BYSh= Bishapur
    4. BN= uncertain city in Kirman province

    There are also years on all the coins, but those are harder to read and I have to get to work. I will give it a try when I get home. All you other Sasanian fans out there, please check my mint attributions and see if you agree.
     
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  4. Voulgaroktonou

    Voulgaroktonou Well-Known Member

    Thank you, Parthicus! It will be interesting to see the dates of issue.
     
  5. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

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  6. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    An interesting thing (to me anyway) about these dates is that Pahlavi is a language that reads right to left BUT they thought of numbers the opposite way we do so our 'twenty-nine' was their 'nine and twenty'. I am terrible at 'reading' these. Actually I do not 'read' but just 'squiggle match'. I have been known to buy a coin because the date looks like one I might be able to decipher. The first coin here is such a coin. My main problem is the similarity in some numbers (1 and 3 come to mind). I'll be interested in seeing Parthicus' or arnoldoe's readings so I can look at them and see if I can see why they said that.
     
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  7. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    Well, I'm back home and enjoying my dinner, so time to try and read some ancient script...

    I am prepared to ID three of the dates. I still can't figure out the date on coin #2. If anyone can make a plausible reading, well, I bow to your superior Pahlavi skills.

    1. Year 19 (I agree with @arnoldoe )
    3. Year 25- The key to figuring this out is recognizing that the first letter, with an open circle, is not T but is actually a P.
    4. Year 33- It starts with an S, and then just keeps on going...

    Oh, and the link to the online version of the Sasanian date chart is here:
    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Sasanian Dates

    And the Sasanian mintmark page is here:
    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=sasanian mints

    Both pages are the work of the late Tom Mallon, a dedicated collector who was one of the pioneers in putting information on ancient Eastern coins online.
     
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  8. Voulgaroktonou

    Voulgaroktonou Well-Known Member

    Thank you all, for your wonderful help. If more replies come, I will read them just as eagerly.
     
  9. nicholasz219

    nicholasz219 Well-Known Member

    I used to hate trying to figure out the Sassanian Kings on coins. Then some helpful soul pointed out that they each have a different crown (or hat) as I like to think of it, and then all of a sudden everything was much easier.
     
  10. pfitzner

    pfitzner Member

    I hate to come in late, but the year on coin 2 is hptwyst, 27.
     
  11. Makanudo

    Makanudo Well-Known Member

    Those are some very nice coins.
    I have same question regarding my sassanian coin, which is in much poorer state.
    The face on my coin doesnt seem to have a beard.
    Thanks for any help

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  12. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    Yours is Hormazd VI.
     
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  13. Makanudo

    Makanudo Well-Known Member

    Thanks GG!
    I wanted to ask you if you can make out the year on the coin, but after reading basic info on this ruler, I saw that he only ruled for two years (630-632).
     
  14. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    Those coins are hard to read. Since it's not my specialty, it's possible I'm wrong. Here is a page that might help you learn these coins if you like but there is a lot of reading. Perhaps you have already seen this site.

    https://www.beastcoins.com/Sasanian/Sasanian.htm

    My coin is Arab-Sasanian. I will get some Sasanian rulers later on.



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    Ancient Middle-East Arab-Sasanian, Abbassid Governors of Tabaristan, AR Hemidrachm, 136 PYE (Post Yazdgard Era = AH 170 = 786/787 AD)

    Obverse: AFZWT, Right facing bust imitating Khusru II, wearing winged crown surmounted by star and crescent, inside single-dotted border, crescents with stars at 3, 6 and 9 o'clock. Pahlavi date and mintmark in lower left and right margins.

    Reverse: Sasanian style fire altar with two attendants standing facing, crescents on their heads, both hands on sword hilt, inside triple dotted-border, crescents with stars at 3, 6, 9 and 12 o'clock, three pellets at the diagonals.

    Reference: Album 73, Malek 175

    Ex: Kayser-i Rum Numismatics +photo
     
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  15. Makanudo

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  16. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    SASANIAN:

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    Persia Sassanian Ardashir III 628-629 CE AR Drachm 36mm 3.85g Zoroastrian Fire Alter Gobl II-1 yr 2 Delta RARE

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    Sassanian Shapur I 240-272 CE AE Tetradrachm 10.78g 27mm Ctesiphon mint phase 1a mural crown korymbos - fire altar type 2 SNS IIa1-1a
     
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