Help with Islamic dilemma (IDing coins help)

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  1. Ryro

    Ryro Life is like a box of ancient coins. Supporter

    I was going through my Greek coin collection crimping up some staples (thanks to the recommendation of a CT friend) and found these hiding in the back. I got them in a lot with Greek coins but am almost sure they are Islamic (though if I had a denarii for everytime I was wrong...). They each have a very cool :cool:patina, Sandy, green and black. But I gave up IDing them long ago. Can anyone help?
    The 1st coin is 19x19 MM and has that Sandy patina to it.
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    The next coin appears to be broken as it is between 17x19 MM. But has that cool green patina.
    And lastly is just a little guy but with some really nice detail. He is 13x13 MM and has some fun designs.
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    So that's them and I have no idea who where or what they are? As always any help is appreciated.
    Oh, and please post any Islamic coins or coins with fun or strange designs!
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  3. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES! Supporter

    I'm horrible with these coins, some of them may even be "modern" coins, but struck like ancients. I never would have figured this one out if someone here didn't help me a bit.


    Indian Prinecly States, Kutch, AE Dhinglo. 1719-1752

    Deslji II, 20 mm, 10.6 g
  4. Ryro

    Ryro Life is like a box of ancient coins. Supporter

    Very nice! Looks like my Islamic idea was wrong. Any idea on the other 2?
  5. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

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  6. Ryro

    Ryro Life is like a box of ancient coins. Supporter

    Mamluk Fals? Umm, I'm pretty sure that's the name of the villain in the next star trek movie! Jk. But seriously, thanks. I just googled it and that is a dead ringer. Awesome! 2 down and just that last lil guy to go...
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  8. Quant.Geek

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    and since you asked for an Islamic coin, here is one I just finished transcribing and attributing:

    Artuqids of Mardin: Najm al-Din Alpi (547-572 AH / 1152-1176 CE) Æ Dirham (Whelan Type IV, 44-5; S&S Type 30.1; Album 1827.5; ICV 1203)

    Obv: Two diademed and draped male heads facing slightly away from one another; in margins, لا اله الا الله above and محمد رسول الله below, ﺍﻟﻤﺴﺘﻨﺠﺪ ﺑﺎﻟﻠﻪ to the right upwards and ﺍﻣﻴﺮﺍﻟﻤﺆﻣﻨﻴﻦ to the left downwards (There is no God but Allah, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, al-Mustanjid billah, Commander of the Faithful)
    Rev: Facing female head, wearing necklace; in margins, ﻧﺠﻢ ﺍﻟﺪﻳﻦ above and ﺍﻟﭙﻰ ﺑﻦ ﺍﻳﻞﻏﺎﺫﯼ below, ﺑﻦ ﺍﺭﺗﻖ to the right upwards and ﻣﻠﻚ ﺩﻳﺎﺭ ﺑﻜﺮ to the left downwards (Star of the Faith, Alpi ibn Il-Ghazi ibn Artuq, Ruler of Diyarbakir)

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  9. Ryro

    Ryro Life is like a box of ancient coins. Supporter

    Wow! That is stunning. Thanks for sharing. She is well centered, very detailed and unique...oh, and the woman on it is striking:shame:. I couldn't imagine how long it took to transcribe and attribute but looking at it you must've enjoyed the time. Between the Ottoman and the Mamluk I don't know which will take longer to get a dead beat on. wait, the Ottomans ruled from 1299-1922!? And I have no idea about them. I've got my work cut out for me:facepalm: I wonder if anyone else has any Islamic, Ottoman or Indian Prinecly states Kush coins to show off?
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  10. Quant.Geek

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    The ottoman one should be very easy as it is 18th century. You can tell by the ١٢ (12xx AH which is equivalent to 1780s to 1880s) on the reverse bottom. A good Krause book will help you there. The mamluk will require Balog which can be downloaded from here:;view=1up;seq=157

    With a good reference book, you can easily transcribe using Google Translate. It took about an hour or two do to, but it was well worth it...
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  11. Ryro

    Ryro Life is like a box of ancient coins. Supporter

    Just awesome. Thank you so much. I was looking at those Selim iii coins and thought he might well be it. But I will double my efforts on the Mamluk and use the resource given. Thanks a ton!
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  13. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    Islamic coinage is a vast collecting area, covering a huge number of dynasties, kingdoms, and miscellaneous coin-issuing entities, spread out over several continents and many centuries. Here's just a few examples from my collection.

    Two Arab-Sasanian coins: These coins from early in the Muslim era closely copy the designs of Sasanian coins, but with added inscriptions in Arabic. First, a silver drachm, issued by the governor 'Ubayd Allah ibn Ziyad in AH 62 (681/2 AD) in the city of Basra in what is now Iraq:
    Arab-Sasanian AH62 Basra.jpg
    And an anonymous and undated AE pashiz, c. 690-710 AD, from Bishapur, Iran:
    A major reform of the coinage started in AH 77 (696 AD) which introduced standardized designs consisting mainly of inscriptions in Arabic. Here is an early post-reform AE fals of the Umayyad caliphate, struck in Aleppo, Syria:
    Umayyad Aleppo.jpg
    An AE fals of the Samanids, dated 356 AH (9678 AD), struck in the Silk Road city of Bukhara in what is now Uzbekistan:
    And finally an AE dirham of the Pishkinids, a minor dynasty that was centered in Azerbaijan and northwestern Iran. Their territory included productive copper mines, and their copper coins are large and often on irregular flans. This was struck by Mahmud ibn Pishkin II (1212-1226 AD) in Ahar, Iran:
  14. TIF

    TIF Always learning. Supporter

    Wow, Quantie! That's a spectacular specimen!
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  15. Richard M. Renneboog

    Richard M. Renneboog Active Member

    Sometimes I am just amazed at the depth of knowledge members here have regarding ancient coins, as well as the modern ones.
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