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<p>[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 24482996, member: 13650"]I love this coin for its rarity, even if it is whizzed. Which, like you, I have a very hard time identifying it even in hand on some. It's not always as obvious as it sounds as I've showed numerous times with a buffalo nickel I sent in myself. Sent in thinking MS-63 and now resides in a whizzed slab. </p><p><br /></p><p> To me trying to identify fine scratches on coins is a crap shoot. And the smaller they are, the harder it is for me. Is it just from wear, cleaning, die polish lines? Sometimes I wonder if the graders even know on some. Some stuff may get away with it but if there's any indication that it's for sure been whizzed, it's going to get nailed with it. Sometimes metal gets pushed up against the devices at a microscopic level as a give away. The buffers they use can leave very fine scratches that leaves an unnatural, dull appearance that still flashes. </p><p> An AU coin often has a ring of cartwheel luster around the edges that doesn't flash through the fields. That's usually a good indicator of not being cleaned or messed with. On these, being so tiny they don't really exhibit your normal cartwheel luster. It's just more of a luster flash. I don't know how else to describe it. And a lot of them have fine lines on them that may be die polish lines. Some don't have them. I own all three types in my US type set. </p><p><br /></p><p> <b>1852 Type 1 PCGS MS-64 CAC </b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>[ATTACH=full]1549403[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1549404[/ATTACH] </b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b> </b>This one is a beautiful example that I received one year as a gift. It doesn't exhibit any lines and is my fav.</p><p><br /></p><p> <b>1858 Type 2 NGC MS-63 </b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>[ATTACH=full]1549405[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1549406[/ATTACH] </b></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p> I found this one at a LCS. It didn't get a very good strike up on the date. Being a type 2 in this grade it's worth nearly double that of the 64 in the first pic. These are pretty hard to come by so I wasn't leaving the shop without it.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p> <b>1861 Type 3 NGC AU-58</b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>[ATTACH=full]1549407[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1549408[/ATTACH] </b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b> </b> This one I had for many years in a type set. Was purchased raw and I submitted it myself. It has fine lines. Maybe from die polish wear or cleaning. Hard to say, but they gave this one an AU-58. It has a nice tone to it. I could upgrade it but I'm happy with this example. </p><p><br /></p><p> Decided to leave the pics large so we can see the surfaces better on these tiny things. I use a different lens than I normally do on these. The type 2 was a bit out of focus.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 24482996, member: 13650"]I love this coin for its rarity, even if it is whizzed. Which, like you, I have a very hard time identifying it even in hand on some. It's not always as obvious as it sounds as I've showed numerous times with a buffalo nickel I sent in myself. Sent in thinking MS-63 and now resides in a whizzed slab. To me trying to identify fine scratches on coins is a crap shoot. And the smaller they are, the harder it is for me. Is it just from wear, cleaning, die polish lines? Sometimes I wonder if the graders even know on some. Some stuff may get away with it but if there's any indication that it's for sure been whizzed, it's going to get nailed with it. Sometimes metal gets pushed up against the devices at a microscopic level as a give away. The buffers they use can leave very fine scratches that leaves an unnatural, dull appearance that still flashes. An AU coin often has a ring of cartwheel luster around the edges that doesn't flash through the fields. That's usually a good indicator of not being cleaned or messed with. On these, being so tiny they don't really exhibit your normal cartwheel luster. It's just more of a luster flash. I don't know how else to describe it. And a lot of them have fine lines on them that may be die polish lines. Some don't have them. I own all three types in my US type set. [B]1852 Type 1 PCGS MS-64 CAC [ATTACH=full]1549403[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1549404[/ATTACH] [/B]This one is a beautiful example that I received one year as a gift. It doesn't exhibit any lines and is my fav. [B]1858 Type 2 NGC MS-63 [ATTACH=full]1549405[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1549406[/ATTACH] [/B] I found this one at a LCS. It didn't get a very good strike up on the date. Being a type 2 in this grade it's worth nearly double that of the 64 in the first pic. These are pretty hard to come by so I wasn't leaving the shop without it. [B]1861 Type 3 NGC AU-58 [ATTACH=full]1549407[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1549408[/ATTACH] [/B] This one I had for many years in a type set. Was purchased raw and I submitted it myself. It has fine lines. Maybe from die polish wear or cleaning. Hard to say, but they gave this one an AU-58. It has a nice tone to it. I could upgrade it but I'm happy with this example. Decided to leave the pics large so we can see the surfaces better on these tiny things. I use a different lens than I normally do on these. The type 2 was a bit out of focus.[/QUOTE]
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