Help with gold coins $2.5,$3,$5

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by chromerunner, May 27, 2016.

  1. chromerunner

    chromerunner ******

    Trying to get opinions on these.
    They weigh right. They Are 90% gold......but just seem off.
    I'm sure someone here can point me in the right direction. Thanks!


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    The $5 seems to have been hit with 24k acid at some time or another
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  3. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    The top two are counterfeit. The 80's is a genuine problem coin.
     
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  4. chromerunner

    chromerunner ******

    what jumps out at you right away? Luster/color/ certain detail?
     
  5. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Diagnostics:

    $3 old fake from 70's. Color off due to bad alloy. Fatty letters and numerals. Round berries in wreath. Outside rim and dentils are completely wrong. Blobs of EM in field under "S."

    $2 1/2 Old fake from same period. Ditto alloy and color. Usual "old" C/F rev with pimples in field above left wing. Tool marks from dentils on both sides.

    1880-S This is in "bad company" but 100% genuine from photo. Note the "life" coming from the surface vs the washed-out look of the other two having no range of cartwheel. Both fakes have very nice luster; it is just not the uneven genuine mint luster. Pink diagonal patches thru date are places where the copper was once oxidized to black and someone put Ezest on them to remove the black. So far, this is a characteristic very, very rarely seen on a c/f. Cannot tell if that is debris or damage on the rim. check rim for mount removal but the coin does not look like ex-jewelry.
     
  6. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    I agree top 2 are for sure fakes. I would avoid the third as well considering I do not know those as well, and the seller has 2 known fakes in the batch.
     
  7. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    On one hand, here we go again...see red. Perhaps the OP can wait for some opinions from some members who DO KNOW THE SERIES concerning the third coin. On the other hand, @jwitten's advice may be considered due to the rim problem.
     
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  8. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    Plus with all the other coin's problems - if need be, it would be tough to sell.
    I'd stay away from it.
     
  9. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Yes, here we go again. You just have to be insulting.
     
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  10. Markus1959

    Markus1959 Well-Known Member

    Well?

    A Quote by Harry S. Truman
    "I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." - Harry Truman

    Harry Truman (1884 - 1972)
     
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  11. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Insulting? :jawdrop::blackeye::(:shame::sorry:

    Did you have anything to post about the OP's coins? What do you think about #3? :nailbiting:
     
  12. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    ...and sometimes the truth hurts too.

    Reminds me how I felt when a little girl :bigtears: in our play ground came to the defense of the crippled kid :bucktooth: that the big, bad bully picked on. :angelic:
     
  13. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I agree with Insider that the top 2 are fake but the bottom coin is real . The top 2 have so many problems like the rims , mushy details , raised dots and other problems in the lettering . Now I'm far from an expert in gold coins but that seems to fit most fakes .
     
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  14. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    #1

    The first thing I saw was the smoothness of the fields. I would expect them to be PL as well. This is a completely unnatural look for classic US gold. The obverse looks EF, but everything else looks UNC; another bad sign. The rims look like nothing I have ever seen on a genuine $3 gold.

    #2

    The first thing that struck me was the mushiness in the obverse detail. I saw the rest of my above points as well. The clincher, however, are the presence of pimples and spikes (toolmarks) on this coin. For example, look at 2:00, 3:00, and 7:00 on the obverse, and look at 12:00-2:00, 4:00, 5:00, and 8:00 on the reverse, particularly near the rims.

    #3

    I believe this coin to be genuine. It has the "look" of a genuine circulated half eagle. The acid test make have been done from a non-numismatic gold dealer.
     
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  15. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    I believe the $3 had it's edge "reeding" applied with a knurling tool leading to the bizarre look . This is commonly used on fake 1$ gold. The 2nd coin is just a bowl of mush. The last one is genuine; could the stuff on the rev be leftover from some sort of jewelry application? The acid test makes sense I just have never seen what it looks like.
     
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  16. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    First unnatural luster. Too smooth surfaces weak hair detail and abnormal rims - fake
    Second weak all over detail sloppy lettering and unnatural luster - fake
    Third has legit wear and bag marks it also has the rim problem - genuine but damaged
     
  17. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    :muted:
    It seems so easy to spot the fakes today but in the early 70's counterfeit $2 1/2 Liberty coins of several different dates used the same reverse and were fooling everyone.
     
  18. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Two out of three fake. Makes a slabbed gold coin an even better idea.
     
  19. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Just looked at a batch of gold coins up for auction only bidding on 2. All raw all real. All more common dates. Most have cleaning or surface issues. A 79-s $20 has a semi pl reverse and nice surfaces. A 62 I'd call it. And a 97 $10 is a nice crusty original au. 55 is my grade. Those are the only 2 out of over a dozen I liked I'll see what they bring
     
  20. Coinlover67

    Coinlover67 Well-Known Member

    Not an expert on the series by a long shot, but I agree that coin 1 and 2 are fakes. On coin 2 what jumped out at me was the difference on the details on both sides and the overall mushiness of the strike. Again not an expert, but that's what jumped out at me when seeing the first 2 coins.
     
  21. chromerunner

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