Help with French Gold Coin

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  1. benhur767

    benhur767 Sapere aude

    I received this gold coin as a gift. This is not my typical collecting area (I mostly collect ancients). Would anyone be able to offer a basic catalog description for this coin? Or maybe someone knowledgeable can point me to a good reference work? france_mk_2018_11125_01.jpg

    Please post your French gold, or any other gold or whatever you feel is related!
     
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

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  5. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I don't think you can tell the difference. At least not that I know of. I'm pretty sure they used the same dies to do the restrikes.

    The only ones I know for sure are not restrikes are the ones from before 1907. They also have a different motto around the edge of the coin.

    Here is my 1905 that is not a restrike.
    1905 France 20 Francs.jpg

    I've also got a 1912 but I'm not certain if it is original or a restrike.
    1912 France 20 Francs.jpg
     
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  6. Dave M

    Dave M Francophiliac

    All of them dated from 1907-1914 were restruck a couple times, and you probably wouldn't be able to find out if this particular one was a restrike or not (have to assume it is). Those from 1898-1906 were not restruck.

    The artist is J.C. Chaplain, quite famous for his coins and medals. This is his medal for the 1900 Olympics.

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  7. benhur767

    benhur767 Sapere aude

    Wow, thank you for the information @furryfrog02 and @Dave M! This is very helpful information. I appreciate you posting your own coins for comparison. This is a beautiful design by an incredible artist.

    Is there a standard go-to reference for these coins that you would recommend for researching these coins?
     
  8. Dave M

    Dave M Francophiliac

    I use Le Franc for my go-to French catalog, but the Gadoury catalogs are the standard for France.
     
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  9. Dave M

    Dave M Francophiliac

    There is a 10F rooster, basically the same design but smaller, that makes a nice pair with the 20F. There is also a modern gold issue (might be available in silver too?) that's 1/2oz of gold and very pretty and expensive :)

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  10. cmezner

    cmezner Well-Known Member

    My only French gold coin, just a 10 Francs Napoleon III:
    18 mm, 22 g;
    Strasbourg mint, 1859, Engraver Jean-Jacques Barre
    Ref.: KM 784.3 or KM 784.1; Friedberg 505;
    Obverse: bare head facing right; NAPOLEON III EMPEREUR / BARRE
    Reverse: EMPIRE FRANCAISE denomination within wreath 10 FRANCS 1859
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  11. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I do have one pre-rooster french 20 Francs as well...

    1876A France 20 Francs.jpg
     
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  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I always liked the French gold and had more of it than anything except gold from The Low Countries. The Angels and Roosters were always among my favorites of the French designs. I was lucky enough to find 2 copies of the '48 Angel and even found 1 of the '49, along with those that were newer and far more common.

    Some years ago CT switched to a new forum platform that did not support the Album Feature that we used to have on the previous forum platform. But, after a lot of effort Peter was able to at least make all those member albums accessible once again. They can be found here -
    https://www.cointalk.com/forums/albums-cointalk.69/

    I always recommend bookmarking that page to allow easier future access.

    And once you get to that page you then search for albums by specific members, or just browse through them as you see fit. To find albums by any specific member just put the member user name in the Posted by Member box, leave everything else blank, and either click on the Search button or hit your Enter key. That will bring up a complete list of all albums posted by that specific member.

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    I guess the point is it allows you to search for and or see a whole lot of coins that were posted years ago in an organized fashion. Newer member albums are also included of course.
     
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  13. In terms of a general reference, for world coins I find www.numista.com very helpful.
     
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  14. ACoinJob

    ACoinJob 352/450 varieties of American Small Cents, gone.

    Hopes this helps. My info is as good as 2013 to 2015.
     
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  15. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Dombes collector Supporter

    Restrikes have LIBERTE EGALITE FRATERNITE as edge lettering, while "originals" have DIEU PROTEGE LA FRANCE.

    Originals : http://www.lefranc.net/monnaie,20-francs-coq-tranche-inscrite-dieu-prot-ge-la-france,534.html

    Restrikes : http://www.lefranc.net/monnaie,20-francs-coq-tranche-inscrite-libert--galit-fraternit-,535.html

    My 20 francs :

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    Bonaparte I° Consul - 20 francs or An 12 A


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    Louis XVIII (1814-1824) - 20 francs or 1820 A


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    2° republique - 20 francs or 1851 A


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    2° republique - 20 francs or 1852 A


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    2° Empire - 20 francs or 1856 A


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    2° Empire - 20 francs or 1865 A


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    3° republique - 20 francs or 1877 A


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    3° republique - 20 francs or 1909


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  16. Dave M

    Dave M Francophiliac

    Not exactly.... *all* strikes with 1907-1914 dates have "Liberte Egalite Fraternite" on the edge, whether they're a restrike or the original. There are notes on how to distinguish the two, most likely tells are the later strikes are of better quality (though using the same dies), and with a "redder" gold.
     
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  17. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class User

    The France Marianne-Rooster coin appeared on a French World War One poster:

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    French World War One poster with coin

    The poster shows a French gold coin attacking a German soldier.
    It was designed by Abel Faivre in 1915 and reads:
    "Pour la France VERSEZ VOTRE OR" (For France, pour your gold)
    "L'Or Combat Pour La Victoire" (The gold fights for Victory)

    And I have one too:

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    France 20 francs 1912 Marianne-Rooster

    A work of art becomes part of another work of art.

    :)
     
  18. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    As for me, the obverse of the Marianne 10 and 20 francs of 1899-1914 can compete with anything St Gaudens came up with. And the rim denticles are made of miniature fleur-de-lis if you look closely. I have one of the 2000 10 Franc proofs in silver of the obverse design. C'est magnifique!
     
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  19. benhur767

    benhur767 Sapere aude

    Thank you!
     
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