Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Mike Roo, Aug 19, 2019.
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do you have the reverse pic?
Type in 1877 CC Trade dollar and do an image search. You can see pictures of a real one as well as multiple fakes from places like aliexpress.
I just bought it but can get a refund if I can show it is counterfeit
Oof. You should never have touched this thing with a 10ft pole.
I did that, lots of red flags mainly the position of the arrow head above the 2 in grain, but I thought I would ask those who know more than me since I am all but sure I have to have ebay step in
It's a screaming counterfeit. It is what you might call "an unreasonable facsimile." The design resembles the real thing, but it’s reproduced in an amateurish style.
can you give me one or two detail that I can use. I called the secret service and they are not even sure they have a person in the office near me that checks coins,,, I may need to point out things to them.... thanks
Here is the counterfeit in the OP. Compare the artwork and the detiles (teeth around the rim) on the reverse. It does not match up.
Many years ago, I had a friend who tried to use the Secret Service to go over a coin he thought was counterfeit. It took them many months. Maybe you will fare better.
Nope not from the same hubs. Your 77 S is from the type II hubs, the OP coin is from the type I hubs (actually it is a hybrid the rev is type i but the obv had type ii ribbon and type i hand.) I do not believe any mint used the type i rev in 1877.
I was referring more to design features, like the folds in Ms. Liberty’s gown and the details on the Eagle. The artwork on the counterfeit is not the same and not executed with same level of expertise. That was my point.
One of the ways to learn to spot counterfeits is to REALLY get the official design imprinted in your mind. Then, when you see a piece that is off in a subtle way, you can react to it. Many collectors don’t have that information in their minds. They concentrate too much only on the date, mint mark and general appearance.
Counterfeit detector books spend a lot of time showing signs of specific counterfeits. That’s good because it gives you information about the general features to note that you might see on bad pieces. The trouble is no one can remember all of that stuff, and new counterfeits are appearing every day. A fundamental knowledge of what the real thing looks like is the key skill.
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