Help With Auth. and Iden.

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Aidan_(), Dec 3, 2017.

  1. Aidan_()

    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

    Hello everyone!

    I'm helping a local dealer identify some coins and I came across a coin that I'm pretty sure it is fake but I need some opinions on the piece.
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    Pescennius Niger, Denarius, Antioch (no weight sorry)
    Obv. IMP CAES PESC . NIGER IVST AVG, bust facing left.
    Rev. VIC TO RIA . AVG
    Doubling in VIC and AVG on Reverse, the rim of the coin is smoothed/filled. Compared to other examples sold at auction this piece doesn't look right.
    Comparison (CNG):
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    Thoughts?



    Second, I cannot find anything on this coin any tips or suggestions would be absolutely awesome!
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    Thanks!
    Aidan
     
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  3. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    2nd is Campania Neapolis of some sort
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  4. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    That's supposed to be a denarius of Pescennius Niger, RIC 87d, BMCRE 315, RSC 75h, RCV 6126. If genuine, that coin would be > $1000.

    Suspect it's a cast fake, the seam being filed down around the edge.
     
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  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  6. Aidan_()

    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

    Anyone else? Mainly for the second coin???
     
  7. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Letters are very mushy looking, which comes from being cast.

    Sharply defined struck letters that are worn still look more clear than those.

    Send it to David Sear or NGC if it would be a valuable coin if real.

    John
     
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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The Pescennius may be a cast but the original it was made from was every bit as fake as it is. The style is horrible. His coins were made from at least three mints. This was not like anything I have seen.
     
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  9. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    i dont like it to:arghh: i dont see his beard thats make a Pescennius Niger
     
  10. Aidan_()

    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

    Okay, thanks everyone. 1st coin is fake, 2nd is unpublished(?).
     
  11. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

  12. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    Second coin doesn't feature a man-faced bull. I don't think it is Campanian (or Italian) for that matter. There are many coins that feature a female head paired with a regular bull. I would look around Greece proper, not Magna Graecia or Asia Minor, but all I can say for sure is not a man-faced bull.
     
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  13. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    My first thought about the second one was a Sardinian 2nd Punic war Carthaginean issue, with Tanit on the obverse and a bull on the rev. (@Alegandron has one.) I couldn't find one with Tanit facing right, but I still think it is a possibility.
     
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  14. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Scratch that, I bet it's from Histiaia. The business going on behind the bull is a grape vine with a couple of bunches of grapes hanging from it, which is a standard depiction from this town. Obverse is the nymph Histiaia.

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    Edit: I'm now 99.9% sure that's it. You can even see the ΣΤ under the bull.
     
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  15. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Not sure... I am not near my SNG Cop North Africa... But here is my Carthage/Tanit/Bull:

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    Carthage 216-215 BCE Sardinia mint AE 3.3g Tanit L - BULL stndg R CNP 377a

    On Carthage coins, Tanit seems to face left... and they have VERY few Bulls on their coins.

    EDIT: I see your retraction.

    Oh, and LOL, the original attribution called it a STEER on the reverse. Ummm, not according to this farm-boy... functional parts are intact and clearly visible on my coin... :)
     
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  16. Aidan_()

    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

    Fantastic, thank you so much @Severus Alexander !! :woot:
     
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  17. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    I'm glad I didn't figure it out sooner 'cause I got to see that beauty again! (parts 'n' all!)
     
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