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<p>[QUOTE="john-charles, post: 8064812, member: 75274"]I realize this is thin ice I am treading, (or so it seems) but, the Phrygians( in the literature ex. Illiad ) were allies of Troy. They fought the Greeks. They had been a part of the Hittite Empires, which does not make them Hittites. Parts of their territory was colonized by the Greeks. That does not change their ethnicity, no more than Macedonian conquerors made the residents of the various Afghan satraps become Greeks. I know this is a sensitive topic, or so it seems, but it shouldn't be. Both the Romans and most of the Greek states of which I am aware were major human traffickers. Again being conquered by or being a slave of the Greeks does not chance ethnicity. If I remember right, the Greeks even found the Phrygian cap peculiar, something that would indicate that it was not Greek. "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodotus" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodotus" rel="nofollow">Herodotus</a> (circa 440 BCE), believed the Armenians migrated from Phrygia" He never says the Armenians were Greeks. There were two Persian satraps associated with Phrygia, neither were considered Greek, although Hellespontine Phrygia was well colonized by various Greek states. If that is all you meant, you should say so. Otherwise, when the terms Greek World, Roman World, or in the "Far East", Chinese World, are used, they often tend to be jingoistic or ethnocentric. It is damaging both for our understanding regions and eras of both the ethnic groups who are overlooked, and for the imperial or colonizing cultures. Lack of understanding of the imperialist or colonialist implications of those terms can be very damaging. I have seen this first hand in Southeast Asia, North America and in the Western European Peninsula. That is why I am careful. Perhaps I spent too much time in the "Academy". I came here to learn; certainly not to teach. There is no hostility on my part, just a desire to keep things correct. I learn better that way.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="john-charles, post: 8064812, member: 75274"]I realize this is thin ice I am treading, (or so it seems) but, the Phrygians( in the literature ex. Illiad ) were allies of Troy. They fought the Greeks. They had been a part of the Hittite Empires, which does not make them Hittites. Parts of their territory was colonized by the Greeks. That does not change their ethnicity, no more than Macedonian conquerors made the residents of the various Afghan satraps become Greeks. I know this is a sensitive topic, or so it seems, but it shouldn't be. Both the Romans and most of the Greek states of which I am aware were major human traffickers. Again being conquered by or being a slave of the Greeks does not chance ethnicity. If I remember right, the Greeks even found the Phrygian cap peculiar, something that would indicate that it was not Greek. "[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodotus']Herodotus[/URL] (circa 440 BCE), believed the Armenians migrated from Phrygia" He never says the Armenians were Greeks. There were two Persian satraps associated with Phrygia, neither were considered Greek, although Hellespontine Phrygia was well colonized by various Greek states. If that is all you meant, you should say so. Otherwise, when the terms Greek World, Roman World, or in the "Far East", Chinese World, are used, they often tend to be jingoistic or ethnocentric. It is damaging both for our understanding regions and eras of both the ethnic groups who are overlooked, and for the imperial or colonizing cultures. Lack of understanding of the imperialist or colonialist implications of those terms can be very damaging. I have seen this first hand in Southeast Asia, North America and in the Western European Peninsula. That is why I am careful. Perhaps I spent too much time in the "Academy". I came here to learn; certainly not to teach. There is no hostility on my part, just a desire to keep things correct. I learn better that way.[/QUOTE]
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