Help with attribution? Coin I believe mislabeled as 600AD-612AD German States Churpfalz (Kurpfalz)

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Brendan Bohan, Jul 31, 2021.

  1. Brendan Bohan

    Brendan Bohan Member

    Hello! Yesterday I purchased this coin yesterday not really knowing what it is, now that I'm home trying to find some sort of match online I'm stuck. I don't know if the date range (600AD-612AD) is correct, but as far as I can tell from Wikipedia, Kurpfalz was not formed until 1085.

    The story on the back of the 2x2 is interesting, even though it obviously cannot be verified.

    Can anyone help ID this?


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  3. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

    1600-1612 would make more sense.
  4. Bill in Burl

    Bill in Burl Collector

    My 17th century Krause has Chur Pfalz under Pfalz-Sulzbach, but it only lists 2 gold coins and the earliest dat for the ruler is 1690. It does, however, have a Pattern silver 1 ducat for 1682.I don't understand how the owner thought that it was XF.
  5. DEA

    DEA Well-Known Member

    @Brendan Bohan If you can get better photos, I am terribly interested in figuring this out.

    On that first picture - it looks like two shields and a "B" at the bottom. The shield on the right, which looks like a wavy bend, is there a star in the upper-right corner? Kind of reminds me of Rotenhan - if the star is there. The B has me thinking Bamberg.

    The shield on the left - does that rampant lion, if that's what it is, look left or to the right? Is there a line (or what's called a bend or bend sinister) through it?

    Neat coin, but I'm leaning towards Bill in Burl's implied opinion as to the XF. Even for a hammered coin, it appears to have been well used. Maybe F - but it's hard to tell from the photos.
  6. Brendan Bohan

    Brendan Bohan Member

    Thanks for your interest in helping me identify this coin!

    Yes there does appear to be a star on the upper-right corner of the right shield.

    The shield on the left, the lion appears to be facing the center of the coin. As far as bend sinister, possibly? I can't really tell if the line in the upper-right corner of the left shield is a bend or the lion's arm.

    Hopefully these help:

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  7. jtlartgallery

    jtlartgallery Member

    Bamberg (Bishops) Anton V Rotenhau 1431-1459 listed in Saurmasche as no.558. Saurmasche colection(Sauma) is available online. I could not find other examples of this coin to compare condition. I hope this helps.
  8. Brendan Bohan

    Brendan Bohan Member

    That helps tremendously, thank you very much!!
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  9. DEA

    DEA Well-Known Member

    Excellent! Great find, @jtlartgallery! And thanks for leading me to that Saurmasche catalog. Super! And than you, @Brendan Bohan, for sharing your coin.
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