Help with a Geta coin

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Makanudo, Feb 21, 2018.

  1. Makanudo

    Makanudo Well-Known Member

    I bought this little coin which looks like its been cast.
    It is 20mm and 4.66gr.
    Could it be a copy from a colony and what does the reverse depicts?
    Thanks for your help.

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  3. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    It's from Nicopolis in Moesia Inferior, a leaping lion. Im busy today, but that should get you in the right direction.
     
  4. Makanudo

    Makanudo Well-Known Member

  5. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    The coin looks legit to me. I don't think it's a cast copy.
     
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  6. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    The lion looks something like this one from Septimius Severus from the nearby city of Philippopolis:

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  7. Trajanwinger

    Trajanwinger New Member

    AE bimetal orichalcum and bronze
     
  8. Makanudo

    Makanudo Well-Known Member

    @Trajanwinger

    Hello,

    Are you referring to the composition of OP coin?
     
  9. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    I believe that bronze is a mixture of copper and tin, while orichalcum is a mix of copper and zinc.
     
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  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The OP coin is Nicaea in Bithynia but I am not clear on the obverse so I am less than sure of Geta. The reverse legend is laid out like this elephant:
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    CNG 160, Lot: 154. Estimate $75.
    Sold for $52. This amount does not include the buyer’s fee.

    BITHYNIA, Nicaea. Geta. As Caesar, AD 198-209. Æ 15mm (2.28 g). Bare-headed, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from behind / NIKAIEWN, elephant standing right. RG pg. 463, 516; BMC Pontus pg. 166, 88; SNG Copenhagen ; SNG von Aulock -. VF, dark brown patina, some cleaning scratches revealing bare metal.

    CNG also sold a lion coin but it was right facing, walking and had the last two letters under.
     
  11. Gallienus

    Gallienus coinsandhistory.com

    Geta, silver teradrachm of Tyre, 14.424 g
    Sear 2900: Greek Imperial Coins & their Values, 1982, p. 274 Bellinger 86, 300
    Pounds Ster.: 110.

    I have to find the auction flip to see where I got it from ca. 2012.

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  12. Buffo Marinus

    Buffo Marinus Member

    So, "bi-metal" with ancients just refers to a combination of more then one alloy and doesn't refer to the bi-metal assembly used on many modern coin flans (eg: the one Euro)?
     
  13. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure what Trajanwinger meant by "bi-metal." There were no bi-metal ancient coins that I'm aware of. That's a fairly modern arrangement.

    Orichalcum is an alloy--just like bronze--not a combination of alloys.
     
  14. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    There are ancient medallions which are bimetallic. Here's a spectacular example from CNG's archives:

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    If you want to stretch the definition you could include gilded coins from Axum. Example from CNG's archives:

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  15. Buffo Marinus

    Buffo Marinus Member

    TIF, Thanks for posting an image of that fine example of an ancient Roman "bi-metal" medallion. Definitely a spectacular piece with a visually distinct boundary between one alloy and another. Up until this time I thought bi-metal coinage was strictly a modern invention!

    Rob

    FNQ, Au
     
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  16. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I hope everyone at all interested in this subject read the CNG write-up for this coin linked by TIF. I remember thinking at the time that someone got a real deal on this one which failed to meet estimate. The description included, " Good VF, untouched bi-colored patina with central section of black-green and outer ring of lighter green, minute traces of encrustation in some of the devices." It sold for about the price of a new Honda I bought about that time and walking would have done me good. :happy: I have to wonder how many medallion types were made and lost to time. Not all were bimetallic.
    See:
    https://www.cngcoins.com/Search.asp...1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_4=1&VIEW_TYPE=0
     
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  17. Gallienus

    Gallienus coinsandhistory.com

    Found the flip: It's from Tom Cederlind, lot # 169, silver tetradrachm 26mm 14.41 g. possibly a 2012 or 2013 sale. I'll go by my wt as I was laid off and quite in need of the extra 0.014 grams of what looks like to be 50% or 60% silver. Also I use an Ohaus Analytical scale calibrated against a reference weight set.

    Regarding the CNG bimetallic medallion, what would be really interesting these days is to use an XRFS and try to get a detailed composition of each of the 2 different metals.
     
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