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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;ErolGarip, post: 2804309, member: 88736&quot;]I checked that website, with experts consultants I respect. But, their reference coins for error coins are again error coins, that is not what I mean, what is meant by &quot;reference&quot;. &quot;Reference coin&quot; to check whether a coin is error coin or not is/must be &quot;errorless coin&quot;. On that website and on many websites, what I see, what they are doing is &quot;classification&quot; of error coins, so, their references are some other error coins rather than errorless/correct coin as true reference. If we look at that website, error-ref.com , like many others, it too mentions about &quot;die/etc&quot; when talking about &quot;error&quot;. This implies error is inside the &quot;workshop&quot;. The mint is beyond a blacksmith workshop in which designing and manufacturing works are done at the same place by same people. So, I read errors on that website as &quot;manufacturing errors&quot; and they tell nothing about &quot;design errors&quot;. </p><p><br /></p><p>Of course, manufacturing errors too can happen a lot, but, design errors should not be forgetten. For instance. You say &quot;die error&quot;, for instance, due to a crack in a die. This seems to you to be a manufacturing error, but, when questioning why die cracks, we usually find out that there is a design error, an error when designing die. Then, responsibility of error goes to someones else, to &quot;designers&quot;, usually desk job people who are people usually out of the mint workshop. So, by saying die error, read it as manufacturing error in workshop, blame goes to manufacturing engineer and workers in the mint workshop as &quot;correct/reference&quot; coin is taken as &quot;designed coin&quot; which awards &quot;design engineer&quot; or other designers such as artists, etc. </p><p><br /></p><p>Now, having said these, we have a new term here (in this thread), &quot;design error coin.&quot; Then, what is our reference to this error then? In other words, what is &quot;errorless design coin&quot;? For this, we need another point of view, a view from another scale. Instead of going into the details in the coin, we need to look at the coin integrity, that should not violate the reality, real life. I brought those two coin pictures in my previous post to show a &quot;design error&quot;, common in the both (Sovereign and Delaware spitting horse coin.) What is reference/correct coin to say these two coins are &quot;design error coins&quot;? Here is an example as reference coin: 2012 Native American coin with $1 value on it. Horse on this a natural horse, doesn&#039;t violate the life and yes it is a real coin, represents money, with a face value on it. </p><p><br /></p><p>ps: sorry for writing so long (not so easy to express an opinion in English which isn&#039;t my best language I speak. Will try to keep shorter hereafter.)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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