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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GoldFinger1969, post: 8146191, member: 73489&quot;]Today you wonder if the TPGs would have spent enough time -- even on a High Relief -- that they would catch something like that.&nbsp;&nbsp; I&#039;ve always been told that the experts and TPGs can sniff out a fake within seconds because they&#039;ve looked at thousands but clearly this coin was tough to nail down in the usual 20-40 seconds.</p><p>What are &quot;tool marks&quot; --- I never understood them.&nbsp; If they are the left-over marks of tools on the dies, why would someone trying to make a fake do that unless to cover up a bigger flaw? </p><p>Yup, the price guide in RWB&#039;s Saints book has an MS60 for about $2,500 in 1976 and an MS65 for about $4,500.&nbsp; But that was pre-TPG and I understand the grading got looser in the early-1980&#039;s so MS65 then might be MS67 today.</p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>My 1970 Red Book lists an &quot;UNC&quot; MCMVII HR for $950...</b>&quot;EX FINE&quot; for $725......&quot;VERY FINE&quot; for $475.&nbsp; And Proofs or whatever passed then and now as Proof-Like.....$2,500.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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