Help, Please. 1794 Cent Variety ID?

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  1. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    I knew this was going to happen sooner or later.
    Monster number of varieties.
    BUT
    I've got this as an S-60.
    Right?
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    And there may be more to come.
     
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  3. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    NO. What source are you using?

    Position of "L" and leaf below "T."
     
  4. BuffaloHunter

    BuffaloHunter Short of a full herd Supporter

    I don’t know what the variety is. What I do know is that is one fantastic coin!
     
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  5. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    I'm using Noyes books, in this case Volume 1 (1793-1794).
     
  6. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    S-65. small M. Common Variety. Early die state or smoothed to hide crack usually seen. Obverse almost instantly recognizable with lowest hairs at almost 90 degree angle from each other. Three reverses with this Obverse, S-64, S-65 and NC-6. Only 1 outer berry under leaves under ST on the S-64 and berry under center of R(I) on NC-6.

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  7. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Thanks for correcting me.
    Coins with a large number of varieties give me trouble.
    I haven't had enough practice separating the wheat from the chaff.
     
  8. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Great set of books. I added US Large Cents 1793-1795, Vol 1 to my Noyes set. It is a thin, light, spiral booklet. Sorry I didn't have time to do the "real" attribution. Once I think I have the correct attribution I look on the Internet to confirm my attribution with blown up images.
     
  9. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    That's how we learn. But we are ALWAYS learning. So seeking confirmation with reasoning should never be outgrown.

    Being professional simply means you get paid. Being credentialed has lost credibility over time. So we're truly back to 'caveat emptor' and lifelong learning.
     
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  10. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    I just went through IDing the variety of 10 large cents.
    I used Noyes's volumes and John Wright's book (when appropriate).
    When I could use both resources it would take no more than 15 minutes.
    Using Noyes alone (earlier items) had me going for an hour or more in a couple cases.
    I think I'll stick to Matron Head material for a while because:
    -- they are generally less expensive
    -- I get to use both resources for IDing the varieties.
     
  11. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Agreed with @Marshall. S-65.

    Might I recommend the books I wrote? They are designed for quick (<5 minute) attributions using an isolation chart to quickly rule out swaths of irrelevant varieties, a quick ID chart to spot instantly-identifiable diagnostics, and a die state chart to identify the die cracks on your coin.

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  12. John Wright

    John Wright Well-Known Member

    Your 1794 cent is S-65, the "Shielded Hair" with a normal fraction bar and berry centered under left upright of R in AMERICA. Tom Walker's book is the easiest choice to use for early-date attributions. Use mine for the 1816-1839 cents.
     
  13. buckeye73

    buckeye73 Well-Known Member

    John Wright’s “The Cent Book 1826-1839” has always been my preferred reference for Middle Date large cents.
    Dan
     
  14. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    @TypeCoin971793
    Thanks for pointing me towards Walkers' Guide.
    I've got it now.

    My numismatic library has exceeded its original location.
    I started on a second shelf a while back and it is filling.
     
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