Help Needed... Jc1866-3 Pattern Coin????

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if a fake is so perfect that you can't tell the difference any more is it still a fake?

 

FWIW they tried out Al and pewter patterns at this time. In fact, Aluminum was considered a precious metal.

 

Yep, still a fake. If you make one good enough to fool ngc and pcgs, then you just stumbled into a lucrative career....and then the hobby would be ruined.:headbang:

 

i don't know

 

It's too heavy to be aluminum, and probably too heavy to be pewter. As to looking exactly like the gold one, if it was real you would expect it to look the same because it would be struck by the same dies and probably at the same time so the settings on the press would also be the same resulting in the same striking characteristics.

As to why they would plate a copper piece, sometimes they will plate a copper piece to show what it would look like in silver. That isn't likely here because they did strike silver pieces. But a previously unknown nickel striking is still possible. If it is nickel or coppernickel it would be silver in color but duller. If it is pure nickel it will be attracted strongly to a magnet. If it is copper nickel then it is a real problem

Here is one thing you can try. Put it on a table with a silver coin on one side and a nickel on the other. Then place a single layer of tissue paper (such as toilet paper) over all of them. The silver coin will appear white and the nickel will be a dull gray. See which one your coin matches more closely. (A silver plated copper coin though would still pass this test as silver though.) From the size and weight I still think it is plated copper, nickel, or coppernickel. Nickel will be easy to tell with a magnet, but plated copper or coppernickel would require testing with special equipment to bombard it with either x-rays or neutrons to determine from it's re-emissions what elements it contains and in what amounts.

 

I'm at a loss as to exactly what you're asking us.

Is it real? We don't know.

Is it silver? We don't know.

Is it aluminum? We don't know.

Is it pewter? We don't know.

Is it plated copper? We don't know.

What's it worth? We don't know.

You've pleaded with us to provide you with a photo of a silver example. Why should we when you won't even post a picture of the one you have? How on earth do you expect that any of us could have an informed opinion on something that we haven't seen?

My opinion? You have a unique silver example. You should lock it away in a safe and let one of your heirs deal with it some time in the future since you seem unwilling to take the logical step of sending it to a professional to be authenticated.

 

Just post a pic of it. everyone i know has a freaking digital camera anymore go get your neighbors. Do you have on on your phone just post something.

 

I think from what the reasearch ive done and the help from you guys that this is a Unique piece, never put in a book, nickel-clad, nickel, or pewter. Ill post a picture of it ASAP, then you can really tell me what you think....

Thanks GDPSM....

AND A SPECIAL THANKS TO CONDOR.... your knowledge is amazing.... ill post a picture asap...

David.

 

I talked to a PCGS certified grader, and it is one of a kind... some different alloy... lucky deal...

thanks for all the help... its sent out and ill post a pic wen i get it back from PCGS...

David..

 

Congrats!!!

Speedy

 

Sorry but I have to be the DebbieDowner here- I'll congratulate you when I see a pic of the coin or the coin in the slab actually .

I have dealt with PCGS qite a bit & a few things bother me about your statement.

#1 - No one at pcgs is just going to say it is authentic without doing diagnostics & tests on the coin that quickly.

# 2 - you would have had to overnight the coin & then had a team of graders run down to the recieving department .Pluck it out of the 100's of coins they recieved for the day . Authenticate it ,pass it to quality control. And then notify you all in from what I can tell from the post dates in about 2 days.

If you got them to work that fast for you than congrats are truly needed for you.

This whole thread has been sceptical to me from the begining . So excuse me for questioning you but it's just odd that for such a unique piece you can't post a picture or recall anything about it's history or the price you paid for it.
Being that you said you purchased from Stacks there should be some record of it. Stacks is well known for patterns ,heck USPatterns.com is even run by one of their Numismatist. If they sold it they knew what it was.

Just my 2 cents- chastise me if you want. But show me a simple picture 1st.

 

:iagree:

 

you will see, i just lost my digital camera.... its that simple, and my fathewr bought this at an action 18 years ago, Like i said it was in a book with 4 other pattern coins and $500,000 worth of gold coins....

edited i understand your skepticism, but its just because there is no picture otherwise NO ONE WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, and the guy told me from what HE CAN TELL ITS A UNIQUE ORIGINAL...

SO, we will see when i get it back, untill then, prepare to eat your words on this one, when it hits the books next year as the only one....

 

This URL states "These are listed by Pollock as splashers for 3 cent pieces."

What is a "splasher" ? Is it a trial sent out to dignitaries or bankers to see initial reaction ?

 

lol, are you not reading your Judd book right.... ITS IN APENDIX C

JC1866-, Pewter or Nickel, look at the links on this thread....

 

Ill shut my trap - & put you on my ignore list. As I do that I will quietly slink back to the shadows as I bow down to your 1/2 million dollar collection.

You understand my skepticism - but dont agree with me having an opinion.
Im glad to know that you are able to read everyones thoughts & know that NO ONE WOULD AGREE WITH ME - picture or no picture.

I am always prepared to eat my words -

Are you ?

Your original qoute
"I bought this coin at a Stacks Auction in 1993, and could have paid HUGE $$$$, but dont remember."

Later tater - & good luck ....$incere

 

If your thinking its , its not, it loks nothing like that.... Stop trying to figure it out, I ALREADY GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

no your right dude, i just blow off the handle for no reason... their isnt even a picture of mine up so anyons opinion could differ....

My bad man, your opinion is appriciated, and yes i will be eating my words if its not what i think it is.... And ill come tell you guys too...

 

What is the name of this grader?

Why the dollar sign?

Ruben