HELP Make it clean!!!!!

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by cpvnss, Apr 8, 2012.

  1. cpvnss

    cpvnss New Member

    Sorry Jim but there is...The cuticle is the noncellular, hardened or membranous protective covering of the finger.

    Many conditions affect the human integumentary system—the organ system covering the entire surface of the body and composed of skin, hair, nails, and related muscle and glands.[SUP][1][/SUP] The major function of this system is as a barrier against the external environment

    And as for OCD I meant it as mentally. Think about it many outbreaks in the world are viral or bactrial in turn we become OCD with many things we do to keep us from being one of those affected by the pandemic.

    !!!Just giving some FUN facts please dont take this as being rude at all This is supposed to be an informative site in addition I like all the info I have been given so far Thanks!!!!
     
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  3. swish513

    swish513 Penny & Cent Collector

    and the quote said 1913-present diseases. tell me of any disease/virus/bacteria that can survive 99 years on a coin?
     
  4. Hunt1

    Hunt1 Active Member

    Any cleaning is generally NOT good as said before. The only thing that isnt harmful is when the coin is already in poor condition, and conservation serves a purpose.

    Running coins under water can be detected by the right eye. Maybe i mis-said my original statement. Harsh cleaning is not really an official designation. Coins can be said to be improperly cleaned, which can be easily detected by TPGs. Harshly cleaned is a just a term thrown around in numismatics, for example, if you see a dull battle ship grey morgan, with micro scratches, very fine; someone might say it was harshly cleaned.

    The harsh comes from those little scratches. I am not talking about hair lines or cicrculation damage, but more so from a fine brush that was used to enhance the cleaning on the coin.

    It doesn't really matter what you want to call it. Cleaning is cleaning, be it harsh or not. If not done properly or it is not necessary, it almost always be not be beneficial to the coin in question.

    When can you tell a coin needs it? If you really want a coin preserved, you are better to leave it to the experts, such as NCS. Atleast if they can conserve your coin properly, you will still retain some numismatic value.
     
  5. Hunt1

    Hunt1 Active Member

    Well he's sounding as if he's going to die from touching coins...
     
  6. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    But if you have a big jar of pennies (sorry, read that as American cents) that your Grand Uncle Fred has been collecting and that has dirt, dust and cobwebs and you want to clean them, I don't think you really want to pay to have NCS do it. I still think (and maybe I am wrong) that there is nothing wrong with a water soak/distilled water rinse/alcohol rinse, and don't think it would be detectable or bad for the coins.
     
  7. Hunt1

    Hunt1 Active Member

    Trust me it would be detectable. It's all your preferance, your coins, your choice.
     
  8. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    No, The eponychium ( cuticle) is epidermal (skin) and is not a mucous membrane. Mucous membranes are primarily endodermal in origin and they are involved in absorbing or secreting.
     
  9. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    You're right, of course. Coins are among the filthiest things you'll ever encounter. They're the most dangerously contaminated items you'll ever have to handle in your day-to-day life.

    ...except, of course, paper money.

    And door handles in public buildings.

    And grocery carts.

    And gas pump handles.

    And any surface in any sort of public transit.

    Oh, and let's not forget perhaps the most disgusting, grime-accumulating, nearly-impossible-to-clean item, one that you're probably TOUCHING RIGHT NOW: the computer keyboard.

    My best advice: remove your hands from the keyboard, NOW, and carefully back away from it. Touching it simply isn't worth the risk!


    All kidding aside, our immune systems have evolved (or been designed, your choice) to fight off exactly the kinds of threats that you're worrying about. Between our immune systems, and the miracle of judicious hand-washing, we're actually in a great position to fight off most of the things we encounter on a daily basis, even the ones riding on coins.
     
  10. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    According to the Mayo Clinic, piercings with jewelry of nickel composition can cause life long allergies to metals :)

    There goes the next generation of collectors !!
     
  11. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    Want to keep your coins sterile and undamaged while playing with them?
    Work under UV light!
    Sure, you'll get skin cancer, but you won't be exposed to any (gasp!) germs.
     
  12. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Not that I don't trust you, but I don't know you. How would it be detectable? I agree that harsh cleaning will leave traces, especially if they are buffed and show the polishing lines. However water and alcohol with no brushing will leave no traces or residue. At the most, an "expert" could say that the coin doesn't have as much dirt on it as they would expect.
     
  13. Hunt1

    Hunt1 Active Member

    If anyone can tell it was cleaned by alcohol, or whatever your theory is, the trace of residue is not necessary.

    Just because a coin doesn't have a residue on it doesn't mean it cant be distinguished of being cleaned.

    I'm not discouraging you, if you want to use water and alcohol on your coins, more power to ya.
     
  14. VNeal

    VNeal Member

    do not clean coins
    it devalues them
     
  15. buddy16cat

    buddy16cat Well-Known Member

    The keyboad I am on is only touched by me and at most I use a keyboard that is touched by one other person. The supermarket I shop at provides free sanitary wipes for grocery carts and their gas station provides gas gloves and hand sanitizer. I don't use public transit. Besides these coins are handled much more than any things you list. Of course everyone here is talking about coins with numismatic value and not those kept as some sort of bullion. I could throw my copper pennies in with my laundry and they are still worth 2.5 cents a piece. My wheats I dipped in alcohol then distilled water. If I encountered a key date or error coin, I wouldn't do anything. Of course I would most likely not keep it. I am not concerned about altering the coin just removing some of the dirt and germs left on the coin being passed around by many thousands if not millions of people.

     
  16. Lon Chaney

    Lon Chaney Well-Known Member

    I think if you're this concerned about germs, nobody will change your mind.
    I roll search, bite my fingernails, eat chips, whatever, without washing my hands. When roll searching, I really only wash them if my fingertips are black with dirt, or just the next time I go to the bathroom. And I'm fine. I rarely get sick, maybe once every two years with a cold. And it's not from roll searching.
    If you're really dipping all the copper cents that you're saving for bullion, or common wheaties, in alcohol, that's a waste of time. They're fine. And acetone is good enough for getting dirt and goop off.
    Coins should be held, looked at closely, etc. Even if it's in an airtite, 2x2, or slab, the whole point is properly handling and experiencing your coins. It's not as fun looking at an inventory spreadsheet.
     
  17. buddy16cat

    buddy16cat Well-Known Member

    Acetone? What does that do to a coin? Is it better than alcohol and distilled water?
    Speaking of cleaned coins, I bought a barber quarter for $6 and have been told it is cleaned. How is the clean job on this quarter? The cleaned one is obvious.
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  18. Lon Chaney

    Lon Chaney Well-Known Member

    A quick dip in pure acetone (not nail polish stuff) should loosen the dirt or gunk on a coin.
    With that cleaned Barber, you can tell it's been cleaned because there's still dirt or something in the smaller nooks and crannies. The G in IGWT in particular.
    It has an unnatural look, no luster, and is undesirable to many collectors.
    However, it melts out at $5.74 right now, and is a higher grade than that other one (albeit cleaned/details of course). For $6, I'd pay that close to melt for a Barber quarter. If the guy has a large selection at those prices, you may even be able to be close to putting together an Any Grade Year Only (any mintmark) set.
     
  19. dannic113

    dannic113 Member

    Not to mention the old saying about having to eat a bushel or two of dirt before you die lol.
     
  20. buddy16cat

    buddy16cat Well-Known Member

    I actually took the lower quality coin back, and exchanged it for one of the quarters listed here: http://www.cointalk.com/t204024/. Yes, the prices I got were reasonable but on my last visit he told me that all quarters in the books start at $7 and dimes were $3 because the prices were old. I wonder what he would charge me if I asked for the lowest cost quarters.
     
  21. buddy16cat

    buddy16cat Well-Known Member

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