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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;seth77, post: 3217071, member: 56653&quot;]Hi, </p><p><br /></p><p>They are both variations of the denier tournois minted at Arta for Giovanni II Orsini around 1325. Judging by the appearance and the fact that they look copper not billon, it&#039;s likely that they are local imitations, which were made mostly in Thrace and Albania, but are known to have been found as far as Cyprus. </p><p><br /></p><p>There is no body of work regarding these imitations/counterfeits/local variations of the Greek tournois, apart from some singular articles, of which the most compelling is Late Deniers Tournois of Frankish Greece by A. J. Seltman. Unfortunately Malloy et al&#039;s Coins of the Crusader States barely mentions these offshoots of the Despotate of Epirus and seems to treat them as just counterfeits. They might be part of a regular coinage though, considering that all of them that I have seen share a lot of similar traits, from the fabric to the shape of the letters and overall appearance, post-dating 1325-1330.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here are some similar specs, possibly of the same issue: </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]836695[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]836697[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]836699[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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