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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;dougsmit, post: 3801272, member: 19463&quot;][ATTACH=full]1014849[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>I don&#039;t know enough about the styles of these to tell John from Manuel II when there is no legend.&nbsp; I would have guessed Manual but I would be wrong as often as not.&nbsp; I hope we have a Byzantine expert that can help with that.&nbsp; Mine is a whole stavraton of John VIII with the IW clear at 1 o&#039;clock.&nbsp; I also put John on the obverse because the curve of the flan suggests to me that John was on the anvil die.&nbsp; However the Christian convention is to consider Christ to be on the obverse.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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