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<p>[QUOTE="Severus Alexander, post: 2769668, member: 84744"]Wow, thanks for all the thoughtful comments and the beautiful coins! ([USER=31620]@maridvnvm[/USER]'s stupendous heads-on-platters, love that toning [USER=79017]@Andres2[/USER] [but isn't that Galerius?], and Doug's Domna tet with the quadriga particularly stand out for me.)</p><p><br /></p><p>Some thoughts on the toning question: [USER=77077]@Theodosius[/USER] is surely right that these coins were never patinated. So is it 1800-year-old toning, or century retoning? I'm still leaning towards the latter, although your various arguments have got me if not sitting on the fence, then busy climbing it. </p><p><br /></p><p>Why do I still lean towards retoning? (Besides the backfire effect!) The toning on the Dattari folles and antoniniani is quite unusual, departing from the norm even for the Alexandria mint. If it was just a function of the dryness in Egypt (though note that Alexandria itself is far from dry!), you'd expect to see this on more coins from there. Or if it was characteristic of a certain sealed hoard found in special conditions, you wouldn't expect so many of Dattari's coins to have it. (Unless most of his folles and antoniniani did indeed come from a particular hoard. But that seems unlikely.) Instead, I think he bought unpatinated coins with thin, even brown toning–coins that most people wouldn't think of cleaning–and cleaned them. That would explain the prevalence in his collection of the iridescent coppery toning, and its scarcity otherwise.</p><p><br /></p><p>So what about all the Dattari tets that lack this toning? Hmmm... good point! Here's a stab at an explanation: the fabric of Alexandrian tets is very different from the ants and folles, and doesn't lend itself to being corrosion free for 1800 years. Since they lacked the smooth brown surfaces, maybe Dattari typically treated them differently. Or even if he treated them the same (as noted, some of them do seem to have been cleaned down to bare metal; CNG sold a whole bunch like this over a decade ago), their different fabric meant they didn't retone in the same way.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Severus Alexander, post: 2769668, member: 84744"]Wow, thanks for all the thoughtful comments and the beautiful coins! ([USER=31620]@maridvnvm[/USER]'s stupendous heads-on-platters, love that toning [USER=79017]@Andres2[/USER] [but isn't that Galerius?], and Doug's Domna tet with the quadriga particularly stand out for me.) Some thoughts on the toning question: [USER=77077]@Theodosius[/USER] is surely right that these coins were never patinated. So is it 1800-year-old toning, or century retoning? I'm still leaning towards the latter, although your various arguments have got me if not sitting on the fence, then busy climbing it. Why do I still lean towards retoning? (Besides the backfire effect!) The toning on the Dattari folles and antoniniani is quite unusual, departing from the norm even for the Alexandria mint. If it was just a function of the dryness in Egypt (though note that Alexandria itself is far from dry!), you'd expect to see this on more coins from there. Or if it was characteristic of a certain sealed hoard found in special conditions, you wouldn't expect so many of Dattari's coins to have it. (Unless most of his folles and antoniniani did indeed come from a particular hoard. But that seems unlikely.) Instead, I think he bought unpatinated coins with thin, even brown toning–coins that most people wouldn't think of cleaning–and cleaned them. That would explain the prevalence in his collection of the iridescent coppery toning, and its scarcity otherwise. So what about all the Dattari tets that lack this toning? Hmmm... good point! Here's a stab at an explanation: the fabric of Alexandrian tets is very different from the ants and folles, and doesn't lend itself to being corrosion free for 1800 years. Since they lacked the smooth brown surfaces, maybe Dattari typically treated them differently. Or even if he treated them the same (as noted, some of them do seem to have been cleaned down to bare metal; CNG sold a whole bunch like this over a decade ago), their different fabric meant they didn't retone in the same way.[/QUOTE]
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