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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 7798597, member: 112"]I understand and readily acknowledge the possibility that "something" happens at the mint that causes this coin or that coin to tone, or develop haze if you prefer to say it that way. My point is, that is just one of many possibilities. </p><p><br /></p><p>To date, no one has ever been able to figure it out. Not the mint, not numismatists, not anybody. And they have been trying to figure it out for as long as the mint has been minting them ! The one and only thing they know with certainty - is that it happens, sometimes.</p><p><br /></p><p>Some say it might, stress might, be because of the washing liquid used. But if that is the case why is only this coin or that coin affected, and none of the others are ? They are all washed the same way in the same liquid. And, thinking along the same lines, the mint has changed the washing liquid a hundred times trying to solve the problem. Doesn't matter what liquid is used, it happens still happens to this coin and doesn't happen to that coin. Those things alone produce a lot of doubt that the washing liquid is the problem. </p><p><br /></p><p>Some others have speculated that "something" gets on the coins during the striking process. OK, but if that is what was happening there would be traces of it on the coin. And no I don't mean a film of some material, I mean traces in the metal itself. If oil and or grease, and or some other foreign material gets the dies occasionally - the metal itself is affected, the strike is screwed up, the detail on the coin is lacking. But that isn't happening, the detail of the coins with haze is just as good as the other coins that don't have haze. So that isn't, and can't be, what is happening.</p><p><br /></p><p>Can mint packaging be the problem ? All the coins are in the same packaging, and this one gets haze none of the others do. So it's highly unlikely that's the problem.</p><p><br /></p><p>But what can be happening, and quite easily, is toning. Because the only thing necessary for toning to occur is for the coins to be exposed to the air - that's all it takes. It is the nature of metal, all metal, to corrode, and the metal corrodes for one reason - because it is exposed to the air. And coins, like all other metals corrode here and there. Make a steel beam 30 ft long, and it will corrode - but only in places - not over its entire surface. Why ? Make a thousand coins, some of them will corrode quickly and others won't. Why ? Again, it is the nature of metal, it is a matter of chance, circumstance - not one specific thing that somebody somewhere is doing wrong. </p><p><br /></p><p>A collector can put 50 coins in an album, all in the same condition when they are placed in the album. They're all obviously in the same album, and the album is stored however it is stored. But of those 50 coins, 10, maybe 15, maybe fewer, will have readily noticeable toning - and none of the others will. Do we blame the collector for that ? No, again, it is the nature of metal, it happens, a matter of chance. The collector did not do anything wrong to those few coins that did tone. They just did and the others didn't. We have seen this happen a thousand times, a million times. </p><p><br /></p><p>So to say the mint is doing something wrong makes no more sense than saying the collector is doing something wrong. What does make sense, is toning. Because all metal corrodes, just some of it faster than others. None of it ever corrodes at exactly the same time, or in exactly the same way.</p><p><br /></p><p>All of that said, everybody is entitled to believe whatever they want to believe. And, as is most often the case, people will only believe what they want to believe.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 7798597, member: 112"]I understand and readily acknowledge the possibility that "something" happens at the mint that causes this coin or that coin to tone, or develop haze if you prefer to say it that way. My point is, that is just one of many possibilities. To date, no one has ever been able to figure it out. Not the mint, not numismatists, not anybody. And they have been trying to figure it out for as long as the mint has been minting them ! The one and only thing they know with certainty - is that it happens, sometimes. Some say it might, stress might, be because of the washing liquid used. But if that is the case why is only this coin or that coin affected, and none of the others are ? They are all washed the same way in the same liquid. And, thinking along the same lines, the mint has changed the washing liquid a hundred times trying to solve the problem. Doesn't matter what liquid is used, it happens still happens to this coin and doesn't happen to that coin. Those things alone produce a lot of doubt that the washing liquid is the problem. Some others have speculated that "something" gets on the coins during the striking process. OK, but if that is what was happening there would be traces of it on the coin. And no I don't mean a film of some material, I mean traces in the metal itself. If oil and or grease, and or some other foreign material gets the dies occasionally - the metal itself is affected, the strike is screwed up, the detail on the coin is lacking. But that isn't happening, the detail of the coins with haze is just as good as the other coins that don't have haze. So that isn't, and can't be, what is happening. Can mint packaging be the problem ? All the coins are in the same packaging, and this one gets haze none of the others do. So it's highly unlikely that's the problem. But what can be happening, and quite easily, is toning. Because the only thing necessary for toning to occur is for the coins to be exposed to the air - that's all it takes. It is the nature of metal, all metal, to corrode, and the metal corrodes for one reason - because it is exposed to the air. And coins, like all other metals corrode here and there. Make a steel beam 30 ft long, and it will corrode - but only in places - not over its entire surface. Why ? Make a thousand coins, some of them will corrode quickly and others won't. Why ? Again, it is the nature of metal, it is a matter of chance, circumstance - not one specific thing that somebody somewhere is doing wrong. A collector can put 50 coins in an album, all in the same condition when they are placed in the album. They're all obviously in the same album, and the album is stored however it is stored. But of those 50 coins, 10, maybe 15, maybe fewer, will have readily noticeable toning - and none of the others will. Do we blame the collector for that ? No, again, it is the nature of metal, it happens, a matter of chance. The collector did not do anything wrong to those few coins that did tone. They just did and the others didn't. We have seen this happen a thousand times, a million times. So to say the mint is doing something wrong makes no more sense than saying the collector is doing something wrong. What does make sense, is toning. Because all metal corrodes, just some of it faster than others. None of it ever corrodes at exactly the same time, or in exactly the same way. All of that said, everybody is entitled to believe whatever they want to believe. And, as is most often the case, people will only believe what they want to believe.[/QUOTE]
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