Hazy proof coins...

Jeez I didn’t mean to start a debate. It looks like haze, maybe it is maybe it isn’t. I personally think they just changed up the type of plastic or supplier since 2020. I haven’t opened up older sets, but the one I did open had a very awful smell of plastic off-gassing. Just anyone be warned if they want 2020 and future sets because there seems to be a clear problem going on.

 

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Haze would be the start of toning. Eventually you can’t wipe it off or render it invisible.

 

No harm no foul. You didn't. It is simple. I had reached the limit of the phrase "Ya see", and had to do something before I finally blew my face off. That left me with no choice but to state an opinion that does not begin with the words "Ya see". It was self preservation.

 

Operative word. I agree.

 

Sure looks hazy. Like a Brown Ike left in a shop window.

 

Those brown Ike’s were pretty infamous for that huh. Wonder what the difference in the chemical makeup is in the plastic used vs the GSA Morgans.

 

I am curious too. Odd that they both came out at about the same time and are about the same size if not the same.
I will have to take one of each to work and test it on the FTIR to find out what the outter plastic is.

 

You also noticed that the Roosevelts have that proof like Jimi hair curls style...

 

then why do you suppose the Ike’s toned up when the Morgans did not? I do not like the idea that it’s ALWAYS the collectors fault.

 

Why haven't we gotten to the conclusion that toning of a coin changes every day.

The most difficult determinations of AT QC and mint MS is how much time they spent aging a coin.

 

I understand that fact. The point I originally wanted to make is that these brand new coins should not already come this way unless the mint is doing something wrong. I have a 2014 set that's got toned coins but it's not a problem to me because that happens. I wanted to know if anyone else was experiencing the same issue with NEW sets being heavily toned, greasy, hazy, whatever they are.

 

Would you find it acceptable to keep a set that looks like this? Or would you return it to either get your money back or another set? I sure hope you wouldn’t keep them, more people accept this poor standard, the less reason they have to change anything at all or even look for the cause of this specific issue.

You're repeating yourself not understanding my problem. YES, toning happens immediately, it's inevitable, it happens. But not all proofs come out looking like butt because they immediately developed haze from various different ways with many variables. These sets and coins are problematic and in a complete product such as a proof set, are defective. Some people may like them that way and they can keep them, every collector is different. But I simply do not, and the ACTUAL concern here is how many of these 2020 and '21 sets with hazing I have seen compared to previous years is concerning to me especially paying so much for something that is supposed to look shiny and new. What can be done about it? Maybe nothing. I have let the mint know myself. But this will always happen and always has you are right about that. I started this thread I repeat, because I was curious if anyone else noticed or if I am just the most unlucky guy here

 

Not just haze in general, haze on these specific new items. Hazing has always been an issue like you said. Was just reading that the 2020 set is very low mintage compared to previous years. Only about 464,000! Could be an investment like the 2012 set. Twice as many 1958 proof sets were made!

but clearly getting exceptional specimens will prove to be difficult.

 

And yet, it was from "back then" that many more if not a higher percentage of coins have not hazed or toned or corroded, et al, even to this day, with more knowledge about it all. Plus, when talking about 2020-2021 coins...barely/not even a year old...only natural if not common sense (obvious) of some kind of issue more than just chance, storage methods, et al, and other random circumstances (which only stands to reason existed more "back then" than now). The one caveat to it...the sheer numbers/volume from back then compared to today. An astronomical increase in production and sales...products being processed and going out, et al. Much more chance that quantity has somehow compromised quality in ways not fully understood...and harder to understand if not believe possible. But like the old tried/true saying..."they don't make 'em like they used to." Not being critical...just my input...gotta believe something inert by/from the mint/mint holders is causing it way more than anything of collectors, their methods, actions, environments.

 

One more story/possibility on this. Years ago when hi-tech plastics were all the rage and many things were being converted from known/proven metals to plastic, so it was with water meters. Our city invested BIG bucks in replacing all its old brass water meters with the new, cheaper plastic water meters. Much sooner than later the readers couldn't read the meters because they were developing a hazy "fog" on the inside/underside of the glass (real glass, not plastic like the meter body and components). In increasing cases the meters stopped working altogether. Long story short, it was found to be gasses released from various and negative reactions to the different plastics/compounds in the meters. So much for technology. It WAS finally discovered and corrected but it took many years. I suspect maybe something like this could be happening with holders and plastics effecting coins...different changes in/with providers/suppliers to the mint and/or their manufacturing process/formula(s), etc. Far from an expert, but maybe. For what it's worth.