Hazy proof coins...

You are an incredibly knowledgeable individual. Thank you for all the responses. I hope you know I appreciate you!
Most of these are actual haze, but seriously take a look at that tallgrass prairie. That’s not just haze, it’s smudged. Maybe someone wasn’t wearing a glove I don’t know, like in this example I own on a 1978 cent with a clear fingerprint - someone’s DNA from the 70s still chilling on the coin lol

 

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Terrible QC at the US Mint. Another reason I don’t buy from them directly. I wait a year or two and buy from the open market. Like buying a used car - let someone else take the depreciation.

 

I actually don't. I don't like graded/slabbed coins, I like them raw! lol
But I do have a few in my collection, all Morgan dollars, that I do suspect were cleaned. If I do in fact find out they are one day, I will sell them immediatly. I do NOT like cleaned coins at all! This 1900-O for example I am 99.9% sure is cleaned and I don't particularly like it, but it fills a hole in my collection. Take a look:

 

I think you're in denial defending them, no offense. I searched through 25 of the 2021 proof sets yesterday and 23 of them had EXTREME "haze" - some in shockingly bad condition. I blame them because before 2019 haze would only occur after a few years or so. NOT directly from them on products that aren't even a year old. If not the way they're manufacturing them, the way they're storing them before they send them to customers. Something is very wrong here I wish you would see that. I for one will not be buying any more proof sets from them again, they've gotten cheaper, standards have gotten much much lower, and nobody really wants proof sets anymore they've been slowly going out of style. In a couple of years people will be saying the same thing I am I guarantee... they have let the quality control go.

 

Haze and toning are two different things. Plastics de-gassing causes haze. Sulfides in packaging cause toning. Look at the difference between how the GSA Carson City Dollars look and the Brown Ikes (proofs 1971-1974). They both came out at the same time, but one can be certified in the original holder by PCGS, NGC and ANACS and the other can't.

 

I do think you are onto something with de-gassing. I did note that when I opened the set I had there was an awful smell that seemed to be coming from the plastic sheet that holds the coins in place. Maybe just a change in manufacturer for the plastic is the cause, nothing more. I do own two of those brown box ikes, one is crazy colorful and hazy, the other is perfect.

 

I agree. I also agree that the mint can't do much about it but all the different packaging they use is not helping.

 

think my lcs said it perfectly. “They are getting cheaper” cheaper plastic, lenses that open too easily. The W nickel and cent that came with the 2019 or 2020 sets aren’t hazy

 

I don’t think many people are buying proof sets anymore in general do you? They’ve kinda gone out of style. It’s not the 70s and 80s anymore.

 

If I can feel it with my finger and wipe it off it isn't toning. It is a coating.

 

I disagree. Haze is a deposit on the coin, and I can certainly feel it.
Toning is a chemical reaction and I can not feel it.
Is it a sensitivity issue? Maybe.

 

Thank you, I will.

Accordingly, with your permission:

Haze is a deposit on a coin.
A person can feel it.
Don't forget, I disagree, because, ya see, toning is a chemical reaction.
You may disagree all you want, but, ya see, I can feel it.
Ya see, the "Kinda sorta" explanation is 2 different things.
Mashing down luster flowlines is priceless. If a person can mash down haze, a person can feel it, and, ya see, it would be a deposit.

Ya see, I did not mention dipping or grading of dipped coins or detection of dipped coins at all. No reason to add as filler comments for the purpose of presenting an appearance of correctness to your position of mashing down luster flowlines and what scientific test can or can not detect a dip or what toning/haze is or is not. One has nothing do do with the other, excepting fingerprints.

Final point being, I will agree that we disagree.