Hawai Quarter DDO?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Carlos Arriaga, May 25, 2010.

  1. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    In a roll of new Quarters from the Bank I found around 20 like that. Behind the Xmat, It's also this a DDO? In the reverse something smatch the mouth of the Indian. Can be that a Die Clash? Thank for your help.

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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I would need better close-ups of IGWT to tell if it is a DDO or just machine doubling.

  4. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    I agree with Chris that we need better photos to determine if that's doubled. As for the reverse, that's just post-mint damage to the mouth.
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  6. jello

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  7. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    Jello, Thank; it's there, in that link "IN GOD WE TRUST"; I'm very happy because Mine...ssss have most expression.
  8. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey


    Given the die markers, that does appear to be your quarter. Keep in mind though that it is the earlobe that is doubled, not the letters. What you are seeing on the letters is mechanical in nature and not due to the doubled die. Still a nice find though!
  9. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    JallenGomez; Did You checked up all the pictures or only the earlobe; My problem is the Quality of my pictures. maybe this other post can help a little more.

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  10. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    I see nothing at all to indicate that this is any kind of Doubled Die.

  11. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    Must be in the Earlobe? O can be in E PLURIBUS UNUM. O in the Chin o in the nose? Check up this pictures please.

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  12. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey


    I think he does have 2008-P 25¢ HI WDDO-001 which is listed by Wexler. Unfortunately though, everything else that's being pointed out about the coin has nothing to do with this variety and is just a combination of MD and post-mint damage IMHO.

  13. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    I agree. if there no ear doubling it not it!
  14. Carlos Arriaga

    Carlos Arriaga Senior Member

    Where the POST MINT DAMAGE CAN OCCUR?. If This coins were 100% new, From the Mint to the Bank, and from the Bank to my hands. After I open the roll I manage each one with golves on. Thank for your time.
  15. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    Do you think they handle these coins with gloves after they leave the press?
  16. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey


    Keep in mind that post-mint damage can occur anytime after the coin has been made: even at the mint. It can happen when the coins are being bagged, when they're being rolled, etc. Most uncirculated coins have damage to them in the way of contact marks, etc. This is why higher grades in business strike coins command such premiums. On your coin, the marks you see on the King's head are damage. A lot of what you are pointing out on the coin is mechanical doubling(also referred to as "strike doubling". These are the areas that are seemingly doubled, such as the lettering. While this does occur during the minting process, it is not a doubled die and rarely commands a premium except in very strong examples. Here's a great link that will show you some different types of mechanical doubling.

  17. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    Hi nice cud filling on the obverse ... its definitly not doubling... the pictures don't indicate machine lock doubling or 55 type doubling... great peice all in all kaos
  18. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    I don't see a cud and what are the other names you are mentioning, never heard them before.
  19. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    I think you may be referring to the motto and the bottom of Washington's bust. These areas are die chips and cracks. A cud is a die break(retained in some cases) that technically involves the rim of the coin.

    As for "55 type doubling" I assume you are referring to true hub doubling which is what makes a doubled die a doubled die.
  20. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    Notice the die chips on John Wexler's coin. Notice the die chips on the IN GOD WE TRUST of the coin in this thread.

    One...there are many more on the coin in this thread.
    Two...They are shaped similarly yet each is different.

    Three ..There is no doubling on the ear and that is what discriminates the doubled die from any other coin.

    You can't look at a coin and say...that one has die chips and this one has die chips and then conclude that the die chips can act as markers. That doesn't work when the die chips are different on each coin.

    Also, Die chips in the areas of those letters are as common as sand on Hawaii States Quarters. Coins struck from many dies will have die chips in those areas, due to inherent flaws in the coin's design. Millions upon Millions of the Hawaii quarters will have die chips in those letters. They are not all from the same die.

    This coin still shows no evidence of being the one on John's website.

  21. CashDude

    CashDude Member

    On the new single-squeeze dies, the doubling will be strongest at the center of the coin, not the outer edges like on many of the old multi-squeezed dies.
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