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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 3333941, member: 24314"]physics-fan3.14, posted: "Insider, the answer to your question is C: all of the above and none of the above.</p><p><br /></p><p>You're making a big deal out of the word "luster" - but you of all people should know that when numismatists use the word luster, there is a very specific meaning attached to it. Sure, there might be 8 different definitions in your massive dictionary, but there is a 9th for coins that your dictionary likely doesn't have.</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><i>In that there is light reflected from the surface of the coin, you could say that the coin is exhibiting a type of luster. This is most closely associated with the mineralogical use of the term:</i></span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #660066">[Well stated, see we agree. You just made my case, as I'm a geologist by training and many of the terms I brought over to the Certification Service and ANA Seminars in the 70's came from that field.]</span></p><p><br /></p><p>However, the term has traditionally been applied differently in numismatics. I'm not sure why you are making a big deal out of this, or what point you are even trying to make. Different words have specific meaning in different fields - luster in numismatics means that mint bloom you see on Uncirculated coins, and which slowly gets worn away during circulation. In the traditional numismatic use of the term, then, the coin you posted exhibits no luster. If you are trying to use another definition of the term, then you could argue that it does have luster.</p><p><br /></p><p>But we're talking about coins here, and we must use the recognized numismatic definitions of the words. It seems like the second or third time in the past couple of months I've had to make this same point. Different words mean different things in different contexts."</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #660066"><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> You wrote a book that reads like you were taking copious notes in one of my classes. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> That's why I recommend folks get a copy as there is very little I would correct. That fact alone proves how far the hobby has evolved. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #660066"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #660066">However, I'm sorry to disagree (<b><span style="color: #b30000">YOU FLUNKED THE TEST</span></b>) with you, but before you became a numismatist I was applying the word "luster" in all it's uses as I learned from folks from the mint. </span></p><p><span style="color: #660066"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #660066">You may be interested to learn that <b><i>the fact that a coin's MINT LUSTER came from die erosion</i> was <u>virtually unknown</u> to most (over 98%) professional numismatists</b> when I started my career! No one differentiated between the different types of luster either. Thankfully, there is enough "old knowledge" and "new knowledge" today that a person can practically be self taught in a short period of time if they apply themselves. </span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #660066">Now, I'm pretty sure you have helped many people learn about MINT Luster as you wish to confine it. I have too. However, as I posted above, I have found that the fastest way to get ANYONE who knows nothing about coins to learn what Mint Luster is as we apply it to coins is to keep it simple and first teach them what "luster" (like that coming off the light reflecting from my black plastic keyboard) actually is. Once they understand what to look for and can see the reflected "luster" from my greasy <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie12" alt="o_O" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie96" alt=":vomit:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> forehead in front of the class, they can look at a coin and see it on an uncirculated coin all the way down the grading scale. Then they learn that all "luster" from a coin is not original as a heavily polished coin has so much luster that it can blind them. </span></p><p><span style="color: #660066"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #660066">I'm here passing on opinionated information. Much of it the advanced numismatists as yourself already know. Hopefully, some of my rants will be helpful at guiding others up to your level. </span></p><p><span style="color: #660066"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: #660066">PS I look forward to future corrections from you as this is how everyone learns. Then, they can choose as they please.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 3333941, member: 24314"]physics-fan3.14, posted: "Insider, the answer to your question is C: all of the above and none of the above. You're making a big deal out of the word "luster" - but you of all people should know that when numismatists use the word luster, there is a very specific meaning attached to it. Sure, there might be 8 different definitions in your massive dictionary, but there is a 9th for coins that your dictionary likely doesn't have. [COLOR=#000000][I]In that there is light reflected from the surface of the coin, you could say that the coin is exhibiting a type of luster. This is most closely associated with the mineralogical use of the term:[/I][/COLOR] [COLOR=#660066][Well stated, see we agree. You just made my case, as I'm a geologist by training and many of the terms I brought over to the Certification Service and ANA Seminars in the 70's came from that field.][/COLOR] However, the term has traditionally been applied differently in numismatics. I'm not sure why you are making a big deal out of this, or what point you are even trying to make. Different words have specific meaning in different fields - luster in numismatics means that mint bloom you see on Uncirculated coins, and which slowly gets worn away during circulation. In the traditional numismatic use of the term, then, the coin you posted exhibits no luster. If you are trying to use another definition of the term, then you could argue that it does have luster. But we're talking about coins here, and we must use the recognized numismatic definitions of the words. It seems like the second or third time in the past couple of months I've had to make this same point. Different words mean different things in different contexts." [COLOR=#660066]:rolleyes: You wrote a book that reads like you were taking copious notes in one of my classes. :jawdrop::facepalm: That's why I recommend folks get a copy as there is very little I would correct. That fact alone proves how far the hobby has evolved. ;) However, I'm sorry to disagree ([B][COLOR=#b30000]YOU FLUNKED THE TEST[/COLOR][/B]) with you, but before you became a numismatist I was applying the word "luster" in all it's uses as I learned from folks from the mint. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#660066] You may be interested to learn that [B][I]the fact that a coin's MINT LUSTER came from die erosion[/I] was [U]virtually unknown[/U] to most (over 98%) professional numismatists[/B] when I started my career! No one differentiated between the different types of luster either. Thankfully, there is enough "old knowledge" and "new knowledge" today that a person can practically be self taught in a short period of time if they apply themselves. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#660066]Now, I'm pretty sure you have helped many people learn about MINT Luster as you wish to confine it. I have too. However, as I posted above, I have found that the fastest way to get ANYONE who knows nothing about coins to learn what Mint Luster is as we apply it to coins is to keep it simple and first teach them what "luster" (like that coming off the light reflecting from my black plastic keyboard) actually is. Once they understand what to look for and can see the reflected "luster" from my greasy o_O :vomit: forehead in front of the class, they can look at a coin and see it on an uncirculated coin all the way down the grading scale. Then they learn that all "luster" from a coin is not original as a heavily polished coin has so much luster that it can blind them. I'm here passing on opinionated information. Much of it the advanced numismatists as yourself already know. Hopefully, some of my rants will be helpful at guiding others up to your level. PS I look forward to future corrections from you as this is how everyone learns. Then, they can choose as they please.:D[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
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