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<p>[QUOTE="Clinker, post: 729452, member: 6229"]<font face="Arial">Lately a TV commercial has been running about an 89 cents burrito. This ad ends in an attempt to create levity by having the main male actor handing 88 cents to the female employee in payment for the food. When she tells him there's only 88 cents, he reaches into a container sitting by the cash register, withdraws a penny (cent), hands it to her and (quickly walking toward the exit) says, "See you tomorrow!"</font></p><p> </p><p><font face="Arial">I know many business establishments extend the courtesy to their customers of placing (near the cash register) a container of some kind (bowl, box, saucer, etc.) with pennies (1,2,5,10 or more) in it as a convenience. Usually a sign or note hangs or sits near the container stating "Need a penny? Take a penny, Have a penny, Leave a penny." For the life of me, I don't see anything funny in that.</font></p><p> </p><p><font face="Arial">My mind went into one of its "what if" modes, "Would it be comical if, instead of pennies, there was another coin denomination in the container?"</font></p><p> </p><p><font face="Arial">From the numismatic file in my memory, the USA's Nickel, Dime, Quarter, Half Dollar and Dollar completed their auditions without even the merest snicker or titter.</font></p><p> </p><p><font face="Arial">Mexican Reales, Escudos, Centavos, Pesos, Onzas, and Libertads failed to make me laugh.</font></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><font face="Arial">Nor did Asian countries' Cash, Pandas, Fens, Taels, Sens, Yens, Srangs and Ngultrums.</font></p><p> </p><p><font face="Arial">Britain's Pence, Florins, Shillings, Pounds, Crowns, Britannias, Angels and Guineas failed too.</font></p><p> </p><p><font face="Arial">Europe's Centimes, Sous, Lira (Lire), Kunas, Drachmai, Marks, Thalers, Francs, Euros, Levas, Frangs, Pengos, and Kronors couldn't take any bows.</font></p><p> </p><p><font face="Arial">Little by little Foreign coin counterparts including Afghanis, Annas, Bolivars, Halalas, Kronors, Kurus, Leis, Lempiras, Paisas, Reis, Rupees, Sheckels, Sols, </font></p><p><font face="Arial">Hapa, Dengas, Kopecks, Rubles, and Lirots entered center stage but exited without applause.</font></p><p> </p><p><font face="Arial">I was dismayed. Not one funny coin! Not a guffaw in the whole bunch. But, slowly the curtains parted for one more try out.</font></p><p> </p><p><font face="Arial">I remembered one of Australia's first coins; the one coin to become the legal tender coin produced by Australia on Austrailian soil. The Dump! As soon as I remembered it this thought presented itself, "Need a Dump? Take a Dump..."</font></p><p> </p><p><font face="Arial">What's a Dump? What does a Dump look like?</font></p><p> </p><p><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial">In the early 19th century, there was a shortage of coins in the colony of New South Wales. Governor Macquarie's solution to the problem involved recycling Spanish currency to create the first uniquely Australian coinage. </font></font></p><p><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial">Macquarie directed William Henshall, a convicted forger, to cut out the circular centre piece from each of the 40 000 Spanish dollars that arrived in the colony in 1812. The outer ring of the Spanish dollar became known as the 'holey dollar'. The cut out centre piece was named the 'dump'. </font></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial">On 1 July 1813, Governor Macquarie issued a proclamation establishing the validity of the colony's holey dollar and dump. He also set their value at five shillings for the holey dollar and 15 pence for the dump. </font></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Arial"><b><u>What a Dump looks like:</u></b></font></p><p><font face="Arial"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Arial"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Arial">After the center of the Spanish Milled Dollar was cut out it was heated to glowing, placed (with the aid of tongs) on an anvil die bearing a crown in the center. The striking die bore the words FIFTEEN above the center and PENCE below the center. The milled edge of the Dump was not the result of a collar, but was accomplished by a procedure known as rifling.</font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial">The coins provided a vital short-term solution to the colony’s currency crisis and remained in official circulation for 16 years, before being withdrawn in 1829 when the Sterling standard was re-imposed. In all of Australia's Numismatic History, these two coins are the only ones ever demonetized.</font></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial">In all, 39,910 Holey Dollars and 39,910 Colonial Dumps were released. After removal from circulation a total of 27,161 Holey Dollars and 10,103 Dumps were shipped to London to be melted down and sold off as bullion silver. Of those that didn’t go to the smelter, there are now only some 300 known surviving Holey Dollars (around 200 of them in private hands) and about 800 Dumps. </font></font></p><p><font face="Arial"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial">Here's a photo of a Dump courtesy of Spink (<a href="http://www.spink.com):" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.spink.com):" rel="nofollow">www.spink.com):</a></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><a href="http://www.spink.com/news/current_news/Carnegie.asp" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.spink.com/news/current_news/Carnegie.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.spink.com/news/current_news/Carnegie.asp</a></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial">Here's a photo of a Holey Dollar courtesy of Victoria Museum (Click: image for enlargement):</font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><a href="http://museumvictoria.com.au/treasures/colldetails.aspx?Simg=3&PID=32" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://museumvictoria.com.au/treasures/colldetails.aspx?Simg=3&PID=32" rel="nofollow">http://museumvictoria.com.au/treasures/colldetails.aspx?Simg=3&PID=32</a></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial">In recognition the fact that the holey dollar and <b>dump</b> were the first true <b>Australian coins</b> the Perth Mint produced a series of collector <b>coins</b> 1988 to 1990 and at later times produced singles and sets in various metals as commemorative coins including an Olympic version for coin collectors.</font></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial">I'm not going to post a photo of all the newer struck Holey Dollars and Dumps, but do hope you would like to see a few representative coins:</font></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial"><b><u>2007:</u></b></font></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial"><a href="http://goods.us.marketgid.com/goods/1319/178106/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://goods.us.marketgid.com/goods/1319/178106/" rel="nofollow">http://goods.us.marketgid.com/goods/1319/178106/</a></font></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial"><b><u>2001:</u></b></font></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial"><a href="http://www.prospectstampsandcoins.com.au/web/prior_releases/prior_p_m/index.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.prospectstampsandcoins.com.au/web/prior_releases/prior_p_m/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.prospectstampsandcoins.com.au/web/prior_releases/prior_p_m/index.html</a></font></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial"><b><u>Photos of 1988-1990 Holey Dollar and Dunp:</u></b></font></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial"><a href="http://www.australianstamp.com/Coin-web/aust/proofset/198890hd.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.australianstamp.com/Coin-web/aust/proofset/198890hd.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.australianstamp.com/Coin-web/aust/proofset/198890hd.htm</a></font></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial">That's it for this TRIVIA subject... Hope you enjoyed and remember "Need a Dump? Take a Dump." <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></font></font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"> </font></p><p><font face="Arial"><font face="Arial">Clinker</font></font></p><p><font face="Arial"></font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Clinker, post: 729452, member: 6229"][FONT=Arial]Lately a TV commercial has been running about an 89 cents burrito. This ad ends in an attempt to create levity by having the main male actor handing 88 cents to the female employee in payment for the food. When she tells him there's only 88 cents, he reaches into a container sitting by the cash register, withdraws a penny (cent), hands it to her and (quickly walking toward the exit) says, "See you tomorrow!"[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]I know many business establishments extend the courtesy to their customers of placing (near the cash register) a container of some kind (bowl, box, saucer, etc.) with pennies (1,2,5,10 or more) in it as a convenience. Usually a sign or note hangs or sits near the container stating "Need a penny? Take a penny, Have a penny, Leave a penny." For the life of me, I don't see anything funny in that.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]My mind went into one of its "what if" modes, "Would it be comical if, instead of pennies, there was another coin denomination in the container?"[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]From the numismatic file in my memory, the USA's Nickel, Dime, Quarter, Half Dollar and Dollar completed their auditions without even the merest snicker or titter.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Mexican Reales, Escudos, Centavos, Pesos, Onzas, and Libertads failed to make me laugh.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Nor did Asian countries' Cash, Pandas, Fens, Taels, Sens, Yens, Srangs and Ngultrums.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Britain's Pence, Florins, Shillings, Pounds, Crowns, Britannias, Angels and Guineas failed too.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Europe's Centimes, Sous, Lira (Lire), Kunas, Drachmai, Marks, Thalers, Francs, Euros, Levas, Frangs, Pengos, and Kronors couldn't take any bows.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Little by little Foreign coin counterparts including Afghanis, Annas, Bolivars, Halalas, Kronors, Kurus, Leis, Lempiras, Paisas, Reis, Rupees, Sheckels, Sols, [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Hapa, Dengas, Kopecks, Rubles, and Lirots entered center stage but exited without applause.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]I was dismayed. Not one funny coin! Not a guffaw in the whole bunch. But, slowly the curtains parted for one more try out.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]I remembered one of Australia's first coins; the one coin to become the legal tender coin produced by Australia on Austrailian soil. The Dump! As soon as I remembered it this thought presented itself, "Need a Dump? Take a Dump..."[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]What's a Dump? What does a Dump look like?[/FONT] [FONT=Arial][FONT=Arial]In the early 19th century, there was a shortage of coins in the colony of New South Wales. Governor Macquarie's solution to the problem involved recycling Spanish currency to create the first uniquely Australian coinage. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Macquarie directed William Henshall, a convicted forger, to cut out the circular centre piece from each of the 40 000 Spanish dollars that arrived in the colony in 1812. The outer ring of the Spanish dollar became known as the 'holey dollar'. The cut out centre piece was named the 'dump'. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]On 1 July 1813, Governor Macquarie issued a proclamation establishing the validity of the colony's holey dollar and dump. He also set their value at five shillings for the holey dollar and 15 pence for the dump. [/FONT] [B][U]What a Dump looks like:[/U][/B] [B][/B] After the center of the Spanish Milled Dollar was cut out it was heated to glowing, placed (with the aid of tongs) on an anvil die bearing a crown in the center. The striking die bore the words FIFTEEN above the center and PENCE below the center. The milled edge of the Dump was not the result of a collar, but was accomplished by a procedure known as rifling. [FONT=Arial]The coins provided a vital short-term solution to the colony’s currency crisis and remained in official circulation for 16 years, before being withdrawn in 1829 when the Sterling standard was re-imposed. In all of Australia's Numismatic History, these two coins are the only ones ever demonetized.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]In all, 39,910 Holey Dollars and 39,910 Colonial Dumps were released. After removal from circulation a total of 27,161 Holey Dollars and 10,103 Dumps were shipped to London to be melted down and sold off as bullion silver. Of those that didn’t go to the smelter, there are now only some 300 known surviving Holey Dollars (around 200 of them in private hands) and about 800 Dumps. [/FONT] Here's a photo of a Dump courtesy of Spink ([URL="http://www.spink.com):"]www.spink.com):[/URL] [URL]http://www.spink.com/news/current_news/Carnegie.asp[/URL] Here's a photo of a Holey Dollar courtesy of Victoria Museum (Click: image for enlargement): [URL]http://museumvictoria.com.au/treasures/colldetails.aspx?Simg=3&PID=32[/URL] [FONT=Arial]In recognition the fact that the holey dollar and [B]dump[/B] were the first true [B]Australian coins[/B] the Perth Mint produced a series of collector [B]coins[/B] 1988 to 1990 and at later times produced singles and sets in various metals as commemorative coins including an Olympic version for coin collectors.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]I'm not going to post a photo of all the newer struck Holey Dollars and Dumps, but do hope you would like to see a few representative coins:[/FONT] [FONT=Arial][B][U]2007:[/U][/B][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][URL]http://goods.us.marketgid.com/goods/1319/178106/[/URL][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][B][U]2001:[/U][/B][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][URL]http://www.prospectstampsandcoins.com.au/web/prior_releases/prior_p_m/index.html[/URL][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][B][U]Photos of 1988-1990 Holey Dollar and Dunp:[/U][/B][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][URL]http://www.australianstamp.com/Coin-web/aust/proofset/198890hd.htm[/URL][/FONT] [FONT=Arial]That's it for this TRIVIA subject... Hope you enjoyed and remember "Need a Dump? Take a Dump." :)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Clinker[/FONT] [/FONT][/QUOTE]
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