Has this token been cleaned?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Mr. Numismatist, Dec 6, 2023.

  1. Mr. Numismatist

    Mr. Numismatist Strawberry Token Enthusiast

    Good evening, I was considering purchasing this token, but I am unsure whether the lines on the surface are from cleaning or not. Thank you for your assistance.


    Seller's photos:
    (note that the obverse and reverse are almost identical)

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  3. Coins4Eli

    Coins4Eli Collector of Early American Copper

    It appears so, with all of the hair lines on it. I would wait for a better example if I were you. :)
     
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  4. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Well-Known Member

    If you CAN find another, buy it. For now this might be your only choice.
     
  5. TheNickelGuy

    TheNickelGuy Yippie I Oh

    I think so. If the die was polished the scratches wouldn't go over the lettering which would be unaffected pretty much. Looks like the scratches on fields follow through the lettering as well here.
     
  6. Mr. Numismatist

    Mr. Numismatist Strawberry Token Enthusiast

    That's the problem. I would rather not buy a cleaned piece, but there are less than 50 of these tokens know to exist.
     
  7. Coins4Eli

    Coins4Eli Collector of Early American Copper

    In my opinion I think that it would be wise to purchase this piece. In the future if you ever have the chance, upgrade it to a non-cleaned one. But considering the rarity I would not risk the chance of loosing this one.
     
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2023
  8. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    It has definitely been cleaned. As to whether or not you wish to buy it, that is your choice.
     
  9. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I see some streaks of copper toning slightly different. And I don't know what the series is supposed to look like. That being said those devices could be frosty. It's a gamble, ask for better photos.
     
  10. Mr. Numismatist

    Mr. Numismatist Strawberry Token Enthusiast

    I don't have high hopes for it having original surfaces. All of the Republic strawberry tokens I've seen have various degrees of fire damage and I could easily see someone trying to "improve" their token's appearance.
     
  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    All that I am saying is that the strike says that the coin is weak around the top and around 9 o'clock that tends me to think that the die may have been lapped or polished. The devices aren't that rounded. Are these usually double sided?
     
  12. Mr. Numismatist

    Mr. Numismatist Strawberry Token Enthusiast

    All Republic tokens have the same design/lettering on the obverse and reverse.
     
  13. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    Yes, no doubt about it the fine scratches are a dead give away that it was cleaned.
     
  14. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    So, the weakness could all be in the photos? The inner rim detail in that area could be washed out.
     
  15. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    To many scratches so yes, it’s been cleaned.
     
  16. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Is the dot supposed to be there. Looks like 2.4 boxes.
     
  17. Mr. Numismatist

    Mr. Numismatist Strawberry Token Enthusiast

    Yes, the dot is normal. Although I'm not sure why it's there.
     
  18. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    I'm assuming it's a center punch made by the die maker.

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    Here's a comparable dot on my "Earl's Tavern" token from Albany, WI. The dot is at the bottom left corner of the E in TAVERN.
     
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    charley Well-Known Member

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