Has this Peace Dollar been cleaned?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by ksparrow, Dec 9, 2024.

  1. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    I bought this coin raw from a trusted seller. It has nice rolling luster on both sides. I have not sent it in to be graded, as I bought it for an album. What can you tell from these photos, gimlet-eyed CoinTalkers? (the line on the cheek is very faint)
    1921 peace, raw, obv.jpg 1921 peace, raw, rev.jpg
     
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  3. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It doesn’t look like it to me from your photos.
     
  4. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Doesn't look like it. It just doesn't display the telltale signs of cleaning. i recommend this video....
     
  5. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

    Looks fine.
     
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  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Looks good to me, as well. If it did have an old cleaning (perhaps a light dip at worst), that was long ago, and in any event, I would consider that to be "market acceptable". And I've seen other 1921 coins with this look.

    It also has decent luster and a good strike for a 1921. The hair over Liberty's ear is a little bit flat, but not so much as I've seen on other examples. What looks like wear there could actually be incomplete strike. As I'm sure you are aware, that was a problem area for the High Relief coins.

    Nice coin.
     
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  7. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Not the best dip and rinse example, but I have observed really dumazz attempts.
     
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  8. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    Thanks for all the comments. I bought it as an AU, with no intention to send in for grading, but to put it in the 70/70. As I examined it under the xenon bulb in my kitchen stove hood ( wish I could take that thing to coin shows, but I doubt security would let me in) I noticed a little dull grayish area on the cheek just visible at a particular angle. Under magnification I could see a little patch of hairlines on the cheek, and a few on the neck. I did another photo with the coin at an angle to the camera which shows the area a little bit better. It also made the light scratch on the cheek look horrible , it's actually barely visible.
    I think somebody did a little judicious rubbing to remove a spot a while back. It really doesn't bother me, and the coin might even get a straight grade if I sent it in (it would never get past CAC). I posted this to show that there are degrees of "cleaning," and sometimes it's really hard to see from standard head on photos. Sharply angled lighting from a point source (like LED) is the best way to spot this, and you really have to tilt the coin around at acute angles to the light.
    This is another reason I generally don't buy pricy coins uncertified!

    1921 peace, raw, obv. detail.jpg
     
  9. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Supporter! Supporter

    Other than the cheek scratch it looks fine to me. ??
     
  10. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    She might have got a little rub in the direction of the scratch but if so it's nothing fatal, the luster for her age looks intact, undisturbed.
     
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  11. 1776

    1776 Active Member

    I did some experiments years ago to see what and how scratches like those would happen. The easiest way for me to make them happen would be to just rub them with my thumb. Rough calluses I guess
     
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  12. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Supporter! Supporter

    I think sometimes staples in flips are the debil in old coin flips when stacked together or shipped like that. I get seriously pissed off when I buy a coin and they ship it with staples. :mad:
     
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  13. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    That doesn’t look like it’s from a cleaning, just a rub mark and an unfortunate scratch.
     
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  14. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    Y'all may be correct, it's a pretty subtle patch of hairlines that may just be high point rub. What got me thinking "cleaned" is that they all seem to go in 1 direction. Either way it probably doesn't really matter as it can be considered AU.
     
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