Has anyone had coins graded by Universal Grading Service?

LJR,
In writting is a good thing for assurances but I would call (732)237-5225 and talk with them. If I have any issuses it is taken care of, however like I mentioned in an earlier link I have been waiting 4 months from a response fron PCGS to have re-slab of a coin with a hair under the capsule. Sometimes you get what you pay for and MORE..

Regards

 

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That's the link: http://www.asa-accugrade.com/

Seriously, what is troubling me is that, to me LJR seems to be bias as he knows someone in the slabbing company. While that might be a good idea to know someone in the company, we are not interested in who is slabbing what.

>>> We are only interested in accurate results and policies. <<<

To me, a site that is created just less than a year needs at least a few years to prove it's worthness, considering the huge competition right now with several slabbing companies.

 

RESPONSE by LJR
You should'nt be troubled because I prefer a Company I can trust and does a terrific job. Just because Company is new does not mean they have no experience.. why don't you or anyone make a call (732)237-5225 and find out personally about the background and expertise at UGS. I don't want to appear bias just deffending some past link information that is untrue.

 

Your statement is rife with mis-statements, ommissions of fact, and bending of truth, so I must respond.

First, the newest laswuit does NOT name the Industry Council for Tangible Assets (ICTA), nor does it list the large group of private citizens who were charged originally for their statements on rec.collecting.com (RCC). This is a serious victory for the little guys, no more punitive lawsuits pending against those of us (not me personally, but I see myself as being "of like mind" with those who were originally sued) who are trying to educate new collectors about the abuses of the bottom feeder grading companies!

Second, you state that "png, itca, [and] pcga (sic, this should be "PCGS") were fined before this case [to the] tune of [$]4 million"[I editied the punctuation for readability], but that isn't true. There were a handful of individuals who happen to belong to the ICTA, PCGS, and the PNG who were fined for their personal actions more than a decade before the original Accugrade lawsuit. The institutions themselves were NOT fined.

Third, I can find no evidence that anyone was not "allowed to operate for 2 years" as you claim. In fact David Hall was placed on probation by the FTC for his actions in the mid-to-late eighties when he used the fact that his coins were PCGS-slabbed as a selling point and claimed that they were a great "investment" since they were slabbed. (As an aside this is why most of us are hesitant to offer investment advice on coin forums). Bottom line he was able to practice his business while on probation and he hasn't been in trouble with the FTC since then, and his alleged actions against ASA-Accugrade (which he/PCGS are being sued regarding) happened more than 10 years after his probation ended.

There were serious issues with the PNG survey that the Hagers bristled at, but their ongoing lawsuits are nothing but an ongoing campaign of terror against the collecting community in an attempt to silence those of us who would warn newbies of the dregs of numismatic society. Please get your facts correct before spouting the ASA-Accugrade party line, it is an untenable place to be.

 

I have used UGS to grade over 2000 coins for my collection of all Graded coins.
Yes, he was affiliated with NuGrade, but started UGS. Also he has many years of grading experience, ask him! I have all of the confidence in the world in their grading.
I have used the "Big Boys" of grading before I found out about NuGrade and
UGS. I lost a fortune in Lost fees for coins they returned to me. Although UGS has returned
coins to me that had problems.. He gave me a credit for the returned coins.
Yes, his grading price is low compared to what I refer to the Big Boys, but the quality of the slabs
and grading is equal to if not better than anyother grading service. I can vouch for his grading talent.
I have tested a number of UGS graded coins, by sending them to both PCGS & NGC. The coins
came back identical to his grading. That was all I needed to know.
As for his pricing and credit... "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" You cannot find anyone that offers a professional grading better than UGS!! I agree with LJR Coins in their opinion and
postings about UGS!! Obviously, they have had the same experience as I, in dealing with UGS.
UGS's personal service to his customers in grading coins is awesome.
Regards,
Phil

 

I have to tell you that I Do Not know anyone at UGS other than to inquire about his service;
but I must agree with LJR Coins opinions and postings. I have had approx. 2000 coins graded
by UGS, and have complete trust in his grading ability. You cannot beat his pricing, his
policy, or his grading!!
Regards,
Phil

 

WOW, someone (UGS, et al.) must be sending all their satisfied clients to this thread to hype their company. There seem to be a handful of previously unknown posters intent on trying to convince us that UGS is a top level TPG. So far I'm not convinced.

 

Yes, it seems odd to me that a persons first post would be to defend a largely unknown grading company. As for LJR Coins, how can you proclaim yourself to be non-biased when 90-something % of the listings in your ebay store are UGS graded coins?

One thing I will say about the company, it's not as blatant as another that has been discussed

 

:hatch:

lol This is true....I have a few AU coins from UGS and not a single MS/PR 70 as "them"

 

LJR,
my apologies for joining, sorry to stire you up. The only thing I am blantant of is honesty, what a novel concept..You are correct 90% are UGS listings, thanks for looking. You must have looked at all the negatives also..The only negative I have received was from a SELLER that sold me GARBAGE..You may rember him FINDERS KEPPERS OF OMAHA...I campaigned for his removal because he was a CROOK...I am honest and new to your group so what..There are new things out there everyday, because it's new it's no good!! Come On..I'll send any coin to you for inspection and I'll pay the postage both ways, no that won't work because you won't believe me anyway...if that makes me bias, then so be it..Whats so wrong trusting someone in this business...I would have had a whole lot of trouble if UGS was ovegrading !! 10,000 postives can't all be novices.
Best Regards,

 

Mr. Troll
No one asked me or told me about this thread. I've been reading coin talk for a while, and
when I saw the discussion on UGS I felt I could offer some insight to their grading standards,
and policies.
I am a collector only, I do NOT sell coins, so I can emphatically state I do not use UGS service
for profit. My collection is for my grandchildren. I use UGS because I feel that this service has
met my standards for accuracy, quality and honesty. Some of the "bigBoys" should and could
learn a great deal from UGS.

 

I didn`t bother reading ALL the posts...............

SGS,UGS CCGS, et al.

Hey, BCGS!!!!!

Yeah! Bruce`s Coin Grading Service.

Let me grade your coins. I will certify that the grade I give you is my opinion.

The opinion I give may or may not agree with your opinion, or the opinion of your brother-in-law.

Hmmmmm, Should I get some shills, fellow CROOKS AND LIARS and use several of my other email accounts to to swear that Bruce grades
coins (and currency) according to Bruce`s opinion?

ross1857............ really............ ljr....................... I guess... cough, cough, umm, thats the stuff coming up reading your posts.............

Some of us here have been in and around the bussiness for 30, 40, and 50 years. What pure balls you have.

 

just finished reading all the thread.........

Stand by my opinion.... LIARS, CROOKS and SHILLS....

If ljr is UGS, then he was deceptive at first. Alot of BS after that.

FLAT OUT Just another crook in my opinion.. Sue me.

 

I'm not sure what you mean. For someone that's been around for 30, 40 or 50 years should know how many years they have acutually have been around. Or did you add the zero's in error.
For someone that has this overabundance of knowledge you should also learn how to spell.
I do not appreciate your referring to my testicles in public forums.
Whatever I voiced my opinion on does not give you the right to be moronic in response. What
I said I believe; if that doesn't meet with your approval you can kiss my ass.
With warmest regards,
Ross

 

hmm, what didn`t I spell correctly?

Even if I did, it shows the nature of your response to attack my spelling.....

I stand by my opinions.

UGS is a FAKE Third Party Grading "Service". An unknown. Anyone who swears by them with 2 and a half posts starting a week ago is suspect. Sue me.

 

gee Bz I am disappointed. I dont run UGS, dont own UGS dont sell UGS and I like they're work just fine

Yet another example of closemindedness because it doesnt fit into your narrow minded view of what is right

Just a thought from your friendly neighborhood nurse

 

This is why I am suspicious....... really, really suspicious of the UGS defenders.

In my couple of posts on this topic., I never referenced, mentioned, or alluded to SapperNurse in any way shape or form. As some others (with 30, 40, and 50+ years in and around the business) have mentioned, UGS is like, uhh, really unknown, no history. Recent advertisers in Coin World.

SGS was a subject of MANY MANY threads for a long time on this board. Everyone here knows who SGS is. NEVER did anyone, to my recollection, stick up for the well known FAKE Third Party Grading "Service" SGS.

Here we have a "no one ever heard of it" UGS, and people that no one here at coin talk seems to know, come out of the woodwork to defend it. One even claims to have submitted 2000 coins to UGS for certification. Way more than suspicious. I stand by my previous opinions.

I believe UGS to be as fake a TPG as one I could start tomorrow. I believe everyone here knows where their defenders are coming from. Only I am saying what the others were reluctant, or too diplomatic to say.

Maybe the moderators think I am too blunt.. I think not.

 

Blunt yes? To the extrme no...you are entitled to your opinion as is everyone else as for people no one has ever heard of, sorry you werent paying attention. I am no that new of a quantity, nor am I a coin seller. I've sold a bronco, a book, some magazines and some GI Joes.... What do I have to gain


Do you know anyone who works for UGS? Perhaps their background, education or experience?

How do we know you have 30, 40, 50 years experience? I am a firm believed in givign folks a chance. SGS had their chance, they failed, UGS has their chane and have not been so off base to warrant this level of distrust, despise ro however you care to think of it. I am not saying you are wrong, but damn dude take chill pill and relax Give the new folks a chance because Lord knows they big ones out there now were in the saem boat at one time or another whether we like it or not

 

One would think that one of the major coin magazines or organizations would send coins anonomously to the new TPG's and after a certain number of submissions, rate them in the same manner that restaurants are reviewed and write up an article about them. This would be followed up on periodically to evaluate any change in standards.

 

Hello LJR Here,
FAKE..eh WOOOOOW....Opinons are fine and even bad opions are OK but if all you can do is lie about UGS or someone you know nothing about, is GARBAGE and all your memberships mean nothing...SUE YOU...got any money..
Come on these are coins not anyones life. UGS Grades are Conservative and if you disagree thats fine if you don't think they grade fair don't buy them. I came across them after paying stupid prices, long lead times and for same product.
I have no afiliation with UGS except I purchase a service, I'm in Seattle and UGS is in New Jersey I have no ownership in UGS so what the heck's the FUSS...I guess you can't stand honesty...

PS HAVE A NICE DAY