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<p>[QUOTE="lrbguy, post: 3618386, member: 88829"]The Rosetta Stone did no such thing, at least not by design. It introduces error to try to characterize it as you have done here. Hieroglyphic remained logographic, but Greek, after the Phoenician influence, was almost entirely alphabetic, having transformed from Linear B many centuries earlier. The transitional meeting point between these two systems was the New Kingdom development of Demotic which neither of you seems willing to discuss. Here is a note from Wikipedia that speaks to the issue:</p><p><br /></p><p>"It [Demotic] is generally dated between 650 and 400 BCE, as most texts written in Early Demotic are dated to the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-sixth_Dynasty_of_Egypt" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-sixth_Dynasty_of_Egypt" rel="nofollow">Twenty-sixth Dynasty</a> and the subsequent rule as a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satrap" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satrap" rel="nofollow">satrapy</a> of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire" rel="nofollow">Achaemenid Empire</a>, which was known as the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Dynasty_of_Egypt" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Dynasty_of_Egypt" rel="nofollow">Twenty-seventh Dynasty</a>. After the reunification of Egypt under <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psamtik_I" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psamtik_I" rel="nofollow">Psamtik I</a>, Demotic replaced <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hieratic" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hieratic" rel="nofollow">Abnormal Hieratic</a> in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Egypt" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Egypt" rel="nofollow">Upper Egypt</a>, particularly during the reign of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amasis_II" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amasis_II" rel="nofollow">Amasis II</a>, when it became the official administrative and legal script. During this period, Demotic was used only for administrative, legal, and commercial texts, while hieroglyphs and hieratic were reserved for religious texts and literature."</p><p><br /></p><p>The note continues into the Ptolemaic period as follows:</p><p>"Middle Demotic (c. 400–30 BC) is the stage of writing used during the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemaic_Kingdom" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemaic_Kingdom" rel="nofollow">Ptolemaic Kingdom</a>. From the 4th century BC onwards, Demotic held a higher status, as may be seen from its increasing use for literary and religious texts. By the end of the 3rd century BC, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koine_Greek" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koine_Greek" rel="nofollow">Koine Greek</a> was more important, as it was the administrative language of the country; Demotic contracts lost most of their legal force unless there was a note in Greek of being registered with the authorities."</p><p><br /></p><p>Coming as it does well into the Ptolemaic period, the Rosetta stone provides a transition from a logographic writing of the decree of Ptolemy V to an alphabetic one which had become more universally accessible to the intended readers. In the custom of ancient Egyptian, the divinity of the Pharaoh and his pronouncements called for hieratic, which was god-speak, but the demotic provided a transition to the mundane. That is what the Rosetta stone facilitated.</p><p><br /></p><p>At no point in all this did hieroglyphic lose its logographic structure. It was entirely consonantal, but consisted of over 1000 morphemes to convey its lexical content. The efficiency of the alphabetic scripts was that they required a much smaller number of glyphs to express the words. This style took over the writing systems of the entire Ancient Near East. BTW Ugaritic even included three forms of aleph which had vocalic character embedded in the glottal stop.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="lrbguy, post: 3618386, member: 88829"]The Rosetta Stone did no such thing, at least not by design. It introduces error to try to characterize it as you have done here. Hieroglyphic remained logographic, but Greek, after the Phoenician influence, was almost entirely alphabetic, having transformed from Linear B many centuries earlier. The transitional meeting point between these two systems was the New Kingdom development of Demotic which neither of you seems willing to discuss. Here is a note from Wikipedia that speaks to the issue: "It [Demotic] is generally dated between 650 and 400 BCE, as most texts written in Early Demotic are dated to the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-sixth_Dynasty_of_Egypt']Twenty-sixth Dynasty[/URL] and the subsequent rule as a [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satrap']satrapy[/URL] of the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire']Achaemenid Empire[/URL], which was known as the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Dynasty_of_Egypt']Twenty-seventh Dynasty[/URL]. After the reunification of Egypt under [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psamtik_I']Psamtik I[/URL], Demotic replaced [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hieratic']Abnormal Hieratic[/URL] in [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Egypt']Upper Egypt[/URL], particularly during the reign of [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amasis_II']Amasis II[/URL], when it became the official administrative and legal script. During this period, Demotic was used only for administrative, legal, and commercial texts, while hieroglyphs and hieratic were reserved for religious texts and literature." The note continues into the Ptolemaic period as follows: "Middle Demotic (c. 400–30 BC) is the stage of writing used during the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemaic_Kingdom']Ptolemaic Kingdom[/URL]. From the 4th century BC onwards, Demotic held a higher status, as may be seen from its increasing use for literary and religious texts. By the end of the 3rd century BC, [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koine_Greek']Koine Greek[/URL] was more important, as it was the administrative language of the country; Demotic contracts lost most of their legal force unless there was a note in Greek of being registered with the authorities." Coming as it does well into the Ptolemaic period, the Rosetta stone provides a transition from a logographic writing of the decree of Ptolemy V to an alphabetic one which had become more universally accessible to the intended readers. In the custom of ancient Egyptian, the divinity of the Pharaoh and his pronouncements called for hieratic, which was god-speak, but the demotic provided a transition to the mundane. That is what the Rosetta stone facilitated. At no point in all this did hieroglyphic lose its logographic structure. It was entirely consonantal, but consisted of over 1000 morphemes to convey its lexical content. The efficiency of the alphabetic scripts was that they required a much smaller number of glyphs to express the words. This style took over the writing systems of the entire Ancient Near East. BTW Ugaritic even included three forms of aleph which had vocalic character embedded in the glottal stop.[/QUOTE]
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