Hammered Silver detecting finds

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  1. 1827jim

    1827jim Member

    Recently found these two coins. Two days of detecting yielded these two English coins.

    I would like to attribute these two coins to offer the farmer one who gave me permission.

    I am struggling with reading the details.

    Are these missing too much detail to identify exactly?

    I'm assuming we are looking at a short cross and long cross penny?

    In passing if any details grab your attention please help me id which king.

    1 st and 2nd silver hammered ever in the space of 24 hours..

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    20190823_121028.jpg 20190823_121041.jpg And my favourite finds from the field..
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    20190821_212917.jpg 8 hours more with this pendant being the only find.
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    20190823_121514.jpg some form of lead token. Sounded great!
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    Curious item; 20190823_121548.jpg
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    I will set to work learning about identifying english hammered silver because I feel it is more than likely I will uncover some more. Because I have never found any before I am not up to speed on identifying these.
  11. 1827jim

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    I will look into registering the roman ring as this area has many unpublished roman roads. I traced the road from two last known locations. With some careful satilite image research I come up with a theory of which path the road takes. Pretty much 7m apart the ring and vota follis exactly where my line disects the field. The farmer so interested and appreciative said I can keep the ring !
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  12. paddyman98

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    Nice finds. May I ask where do you detect?
    Which Detector do you use?

    I'm mostly beach hunting with my CTX 3030
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  13. 1827jim

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    @paddyman98 Thanks! Impressive collection you have found.

    I am detecting in the south-east of England on private property.

    Here I was using a minelab x-terra 705 with 6" coil.
  14. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Let me burst your bubble! Supporter

    Interesting. I watch a detecting show on YouTube called the Hoover Boys. They were in England recently and they found silver hammered coins like yours. They stated they had to turn them in before keeping them. Is that a policy in England?
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  16. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    I recently bought and am enjoying a simple book England's Striking History edited by Perkins, on eBay from CoinGallery. I paid $10.98 including overseas postage so you might find it cheaper locally. The hard part of IDing hammered coins is figuring out the letter forms but the book has pages helping with that.

    You have already made the first step: long vs. short cross. On the reverse look for the word CIVITAS which tells you that the rest of the legend is the city name or ON which separates the name of the moneyer from his city. You will find this easier with better coins and many field finds will take some practice. Samples below.
    Long cross Edward I farthing with CIVITAS LONDON on reverse

    Longcross Henry III with RICARD ON LINC (Lincoln) reverse.

    Good luck.
  17. Topcat7

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    Thank you for the 'pointer', Doug. I managed to buy a copy (today) for the same price.
  18. 1827jim

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    Thank you @dougsmit.
    The pointers led me to work this out the obverse legends: EDW R ANGL DNS hYB which is present on coins of class 2 to 9c of the Edwards. if I have that correct with a trifoliate crown. I will order a copy of the book. Thanks.

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  19. 1827jim

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    Apparently the Edward I long cross coinage replaced the voided short cross coins where the moneyers name was shown. The new long cross reverse includes the city name as Doug explained. Screenshot_20190824-113114_Gallery.jpg

    Now I am looking into which city this could be.

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  21. dougsmit

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    As you go through the book, you will see many spelled out that obviously and others that require a little code breaking. You will even find occasions where there are two mints active in London at the same time. That is where I found the book most helpful. Advanced students place more emphasis on minor differences and separate the coins into classes beyond the scope of the little book. For them, this will be a waste of money but it fit my needs at the state of my hobby at present. Whether I advance to a point I care about the difference between a IIIa and a IIIb remains to be seen. I just appreciate help separating the John's from the Richard's.
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