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<p>[QUOTE="Chris B, post: 3755400, member: 87179"]Looking for some assistance from the great folks on CT. At last week's Evansville, Indiana coin show I made a significant purchase, for me. Below is a Hamburg double Thaler from the 1600s. I collect German States pretty heavily. My main focus, as many of you know, has been wildman coins. German States coins, in general, have fascinated me for a long time.</p><p><br /></p><p>In some ways, I kind of took a leap with this purchase. I have wanted a multiple thaler but hadn't found the right one until now. It is lovely in hand, and of course, is an impressive hunk of silver. It is currently in a PCGS holder, graded AU55.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is where I am looking for assistance. The PCGS label says "The Annunciation" which by what I find is KM#206. The obverse matches the description but not the reverse. The reverse matches KM#205. While it's possible this is a mule I think it is more likely that this is a variety unlisted in Krause. I have not found any matches after a pretty thorough search. </p><p><br /></p><p> Does anyone know what the G#1586 is a reference to? I was hoping to find this reference book for some further research. </p><p><br /></p><p>Below are a description and photos.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Obverse:</b> The Annunciation</p><p><b>Obverse Legend:</b> AVE MARIA GRATI: PLENDOMIN. DOMIN:TECUMBENED: TUINT:MULIERES</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Reverse:</b> Christ standing facing in the river Jordan, head lowered right, being anointed by St.John the Baptist to right; above, radiate and nimbate dove below name of God in Hebrew.</p><p><b>Reverse Legend:</b> CHRIST : D : HEILG : TAUFNIM : AN : V : SEIM : VORLAUFFER : I : IORD :,</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Note:</b> Ref. G#1586. Prev. KM#F85.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Mintmaster:</b> Matthias Freude</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Composition:</b> Silver</p><p><b>Diameter: </b>59mm<b></b></p><p><b>Weight: </b>56.5gm</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1006648[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1006647[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>(1635-1668) 2 Thaler, (referred to as a Double Show Thaler or Tauftaler)</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Annunciation, also called Annunciation to the Blessed Virgin Mary or Annunciation of the Lord, in Christianity, the announcement by the angel Gabriel to the Virgin Mary that she would conceive a son by the power of the Holy Spirit to be called Jesus (Luke 1:26–38). The angel’s pronouncement is met with Mary’s willing consent (“Here am I, the servant of the Lord; let it be with me according to your word”), and thus precipitates the Incarnation of Christ and his redemption of the world.</p><p><br /></p><p>The obverse has a Latin legend that I believe means "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you. Blessed are you among women" and the legend on the reverse may be German and might mean "Christ receiving his baptism from the leader in the Jordan"[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Chris B, post: 3755400, member: 87179"]Looking for some assistance from the great folks on CT. At last week's Evansville, Indiana coin show I made a significant purchase, for me. Below is a Hamburg double Thaler from the 1600s. I collect German States pretty heavily. My main focus, as many of you know, has been wildman coins. German States coins, in general, have fascinated me for a long time. In some ways, I kind of took a leap with this purchase. I have wanted a multiple thaler but hadn't found the right one until now. It is lovely in hand, and of course, is an impressive hunk of silver. It is currently in a PCGS holder, graded AU55. Here is where I am looking for assistance. The PCGS label says "The Annunciation" which by what I find is KM#206. The obverse matches the description but not the reverse. The reverse matches KM#205. While it's possible this is a mule I think it is more likely that this is a variety unlisted in Krause. I have not found any matches after a pretty thorough search. Does anyone know what the G#1586 is a reference to? I was hoping to find this reference book for some further research. Below are a description and photos. [B]Obverse:[/B] The Annunciation [B]Obverse Legend:[/B] AVE MARIA GRATI: PLENDOMIN. DOMIN:TECUMBENED: TUINT:MULIERES [B]Reverse:[/B] Christ standing facing in the river Jordan, head lowered right, being anointed by St.John the Baptist to right; above, radiate and nimbate dove below name of God in Hebrew. [B]Reverse Legend:[/B] CHRIST : D : HEILG : TAUFNIM : AN : V : SEIM : VORLAUFFER : I : IORD :, [B]Note:[/B] Ref. G#1586. Prev. KM#F85. [B]Mintmaster:[/B] Matthias Freude [B]Composition:[/B] Silver [B]Diameter: [/B]59mm[B] Weight: [/B]56.5gm [ATTACH=full]1006648[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1006647[/ATTACH] (1635-1668) 2 Thaler, (referred to as a Double Show Thaler or Tauftaler) Annunciation, also called Annunciation to the Blessed Virgin Mary or Annunciation of the Lord, in Christianity, the announcement by the angel Gabriel to the Virgin Mary that she would conceive a son by the power of the Holy Spirit to be called Jesus (Luke 1:26–38). The angel’s pronouncement is met with Mary’s willing consent (“Here am I, the servant of the Lord; let it be with me according to your word”), and thus precipitates the Incarnation of Christ and his redemption of the world. The obverse has a Latin legend that I believe means "Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you. Blessed are you among women" and the legend on the reverse may be German and might mean "Christ receiving his baptism from the leader in the Jordan"[/QUOTE]
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