Hairline scratch -- Still MS63?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by benveniste, Oct 30, 2012.

  1. benveniste

    benveniste Type Type

    Take a look at the scratch running from 12 o'clock to 1 o'clock on this coin. Do you believe this type of scratch would disqualify this coin from being an MS63 according to a) technical grading, and/or b) current market grading?

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  3. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

    That's a border line one. The scratch is long and can be distracting, but it is not in a prime focal area. I think it could still be 63, but a bothersome 63.
     
  4. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Are you sure it's a scratch (incuse) and not a strikethrough (excuse)?

    To answer your question directly, I don't see that scratch (provided it is a scratch) being a disqualifier for MS 63. That said, along with the scratch and the amount of chatter on high points and in the fields, I don't like this coin in a 63 slab, personally. Looks more like a 62 to me.
     
  5. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Is it a hairline scratch or possibly a staple scratch? A hairline scratch might get a pass, a staple scratch will get details for damage.
     
  6. LindeDad

    LindeDad His Walker.

    Details grade on that staple scratched coin. The separate part of the scratch above star five is a killer.
    Says it probably happened coming out of a 2x2.
     
  7. ddoomm1

    ddoomm1 keep on running

    Well the grade is for the whole coin (although a severe scratch can lower a grade by a point or 2) I see a decently struck coin with good luster but many nicks etc. MS-63? Maybe, but a low end 63
     
  8. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I think the word you're looking for is "relief". :)

    Also, aren't (non-retained) strikethroughs more typically incuse as well? Something gets pressed into the coin's surface, then falls away?
     
  9. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

    I think you are right, like a strand of steel wool or the like.
     
  10. LindeDad

    LindeDad His Walker.

    Very few strike through are perfectly straight lines scratches are.
     
  11. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    I agree with the MS-62 grade. Much too much chatter for MS-63, but the scratch shouldn't keep it form being graded.
     
  12. Taxidermist

    Taxidermist Collector of US/IL/RU/DE

    I got a PCGS PR69DCAM $1 Ike with a similar looking scratch under eagle's wing. Not even close to be knowledgable in TPG grading issues, just stating a fact.
     
  13. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

    I was agreeing with the poster's definition, not that the scratch was a strike through.
     
  14. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    A scratch is a scratch...I've seen them bag a LOT of coins for less than that.
     
  15. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

    I don't think they body bag them anymore. If it genuine, but ungradable, they would still slab as genuine and something like "unc details" without a number grade.
     
  16. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    A details slab is still a body bag, it just hurts a little less.
     
  17. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

    Just like putting the lame old dog to sleep instead of taking it out back with the .22.
     
  18. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    But it does at least vouch for authenticity, right? Particularly for pre-1933 gold, I'd certainly bid more confidently on a details-slabbed coin than a raw one.
     
  19. lonegunlawyer

    lonegunlawyer Numismatist Esq.

    That is a good point, especially in light of the other thread (1853 $3 gold piece?). But then again, TPG's have been wrong.
     
  20. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Sure, but I'm confident that the proportion of counterfeits in slabs is a lot lower than the proportion of counterfeit raw coins.
     
  21. LindeDad

    LindeDad His Walker.

    This is the main reason I long ago made a personal rule that any time I put two $100 bills on the table the coin was slabbed.
    This rule is for coins I buy and cannot hold in my hand before purchase.
     
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