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<p>[QUOTE="gboulton, post: 1377736, member: 27043"]A very valid point, I think.</p><p><br /></p><p>And I think it bears clarification that, for ME at least, negotiation isn't necessarily about getting the price to fall within some range in a guide or book...it's about getting the price to fall within some range of my level of enjoyment.</p><p><br /></p><p>A given coin, with a particular look, representing some level of challenge to find in that condition, or being some necessary coin in some set, is going to have a certain value to me. It's going to bring me some level of enjoyment of ownership, that I can express in dollars. I negotiate to get that coin at that price. </p><p><br /></p><p>Sometimes I think the coin is "worth" less than the market seems to think...so I try to find one that is, if one were to check, "below book value". Maybe it's a substandard coin, maybe I get lucky...whatever. A well struck 1604 Flaming Buzzard just isn't worth $1000 to me. I'm fine with a weakly struck 1605 Flaming Buzzard for $200...even if it means it won't appreciate the way the finer example might have.</p><p><br /></p><p>On the other side, for quite some time now, I'd been after a particular coin...<b>with a particular look</b>...that I'd been unable to find. A local dealer, who I trust to recognize my preferred look in that series, found a wonderful coin at a show I'd never have attended. He returned with it, gave me a call, and asked for a steep premium over "book value".</p><p><br /></p><p>We negotiated, and wound up what I'd call "considerably" above "book value" for the coin, but at a number that gave him a fair profit for his time and efforts, and fell below what I'd put aside to spend for the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Everyone walked away happy. He pocketed a well earned profit, and I went home with a coin for less than I'd been prepared to spend if necessary. The "book value" didn't really enter in to it, in my opinion. Admittedly, it was, as others have suggested, perhaps a starting point...but the negotiation wasn't based on anyone trying to "get one over" on anyone else.</p><p><br /></p><p>I figure the dealer had a bracket of profit he was willing to make. He'd LIKE $A, and will take no LESS than $B. I had a bracket of prices the coin was worth to me...I'd LOVE to pay $C, but was WILLING to pay as much as $D.</p><p><br /></p><p>Happily, in this case, we found a place where our brackets overlapped.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="gboulton, post: 1377736, member: 27043"]A very valid point, I think. And I think it bears clarification that, for ME at least, negotiation isn't necessarily about getting the price to fall within some range in a guide or book...it's about getting the price to fall within some range of my level of enjoyment. A given coin, with a particular look, representing some level of challenge to find in that condition, or being some necessary coin in some set, is going to have a certain value to me. It's going to bring me some level of enjoyment of ownership, that I can express in dollars. I negotiate to get that coin at that price. Sometimes I think the coin is "worth" less than the market seems to think...so I try to find one that is, if one were to check, "below book value". Maybe it's a substandard coin, maybe I get lucky...whatever. A well struck 1604 Flaming Buzzard just isn't worth $1000 to me. I'm fine with a weakly struck 1605 Flaming Buzzard for $200...even if it means it won't appreciate the way the finer example might have. On the other side, for quite some time now, I'd been after a particular coin...[B]with a particular look[/B]...that I'd been unable to find. A local dealer, who I trust to recognize my preferred look in that series, found a wonderful coin at a show I'd never have attended. He returned with it, gave me a call, and asked for a steep premium over "book value". We negotiated, and wound up what I'd call "considerably" above "book value" for the coin, but at a number that gave him a fair profit for his time and efforts, and fell below what I'd put aside to spend for the coin. Everyone walked away happy. He pocketed a well earned profit, and I went home with a coin for less than I'd been prepared to spend if necessary. The "book value" didn't really enter in to it, in my opinion. Admittedly, it was, as others have suggested, perhaps a starting point...but the negotiation wasn't based on anyone trying to "get one over" on anyone else. I figure the dealer had a bracket of profit he was willing to make. He'd LIKE $A, and will take no LESS than $B. I had a bracket of prices the coin was worth to me...I'd LOVE to pay $C, but was WILLING to pay as much as $D. Happily, in this case, we found a place where our brackets overlapped.[/QUOTE]
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