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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;BooksB4Coins, post: 1377664, member: 36230&quot;]Please allow me to apologize first if this offends anyone, but the whole&nbsp; idea of &quot;never paying retail&quot; and feeling that you as a buyer have the&nbsp; right to always haggle on any and every coin is ludicrous. Hear me out&nbsp; on this and then decide. Coins are not cars, appliances, electronics,&nbsp; etc, etc and at least with earlier and/or less common issues, no two are&nbsp; alike. While you may be able to buy X car (same model, options, etc) at&nbsp; one dealer for less than another, coins are a whole different ballgame.&nbsp; Also, what do each of you view as retail and what as wholesale? If you&nbsp; are buying common types that can be readily had anywhere and at any&nbsp; time, by all means dicker away. If you are looking to buy a common date&nbsp; MS65 Morgan, a PQ coin can be found without a lot of effort at a great&nbsp; price, but say you are in the market for a truly rare coin - one that&nbsp; only comes on the market a few times per year or even less. Say this&nbsp; coin is graded at X yet is of superb quality and originality and priced&nbsp; at 25% over trends. Are you going to pull out your graysheet and think&nbsp; that doing so will intimidate the dealer or stick to the assumption that&nbsp; because you &quot;dont&#039; pay retail&quot; you have the right to buy this coin for&nbsp; less than the true market will bear? How many of you realize that there&nbsp; are plenty of coins that are grossly undervalued even in the best known&nbsp; retail guides? One reason for this is because some coins trade so&nbsp; rarely, but also has anyone considered the fact that a price guide is&nbsp; just that.... a price <u><i>GUIDE</i></u>? I can think of a number of&nbsp; coins that I would bend over backwards to pay trends for and could&nbsp; easily flip at a great profit to knowledgeable collectors. Again, it all&nbsp; depends on what you collect/buy/deal in but knowing your market inside&nbsp; and out is the key. Understanding the fact that a truly PQ specimen in a&nbsp; certain issue can easily bring (and deserves) large premiums over the&nbsp; values listed in ANY guide can be more important that haggling.&nbsp; Understanding that a price guide really is nothing more than an educated&nbsp; guess and at best a sampling from a tiny percentage of past sales is of&nbsp; the utmost importance (depending on the type of coin). In reality&nbsp; guides mean nothing... the market dictates values/prices and it is as&nbsp; simple as that.</p><p><br /></p><p>Again, this all depends on what the individual collects.&nbsp; If your interests are in a series that literally hundreds or thousands&nbsp; of coins are available at any given time and in any venue (online, Ebay,&nbsp; shows, shops, whatever), there is absolutely no reason not to dicker if&nbsp; the asking price is not right - there is always another similar coin&nbsp; around the corner. The thing is that with coins, not all are created&nbsp; equal and it is senseless to generalize. One who does not understand&nbsp; this is doing themselves a great disservice.</p><p><br /></p><p>An honest dealer&nbsp; absolutely has a right to make a profit depending on the coin and as&nbsp; long as their price is market acceptable, even if its not what you want&nbsp; to pay. Maybe I&#039;m simply getting old but I can remember a time when everyone did not believe that they <i>deserve</i> to buy &quot;wholesale&quot; and the coin mattered more than a price guide. Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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