Hadrian Britannia

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Orfew, Sep 27, 2018.

  1. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    After reading @jamesicus ' posts on coins of Roman Britain I wanted to find a coin with an early depiction of Britannia. I would have loved to have gotten the sestertius, but they are out of my price range. One sold on CNG for 30000 dollars. I shall just have to be satisfied with this humble As.

    In August I was exhibiting at the RCNA show in Toronto and a friend who is associated with an auction house told me that there was an auction in September and that I might be interested in one of the coins. Having seen the catalogue days before I thought I knew which one he was talking about. He told me it was this Hadrian As and that he could show me the coin the next day. So the next day I was walking the bourse and he comes up to me with the coin. The coin looks much better in person than in the photo. If I was relying on the photo I might not have bid. So the coin came up for auction earlier tonight and I managed to win it. It truly feels that I have bought a piece of history. Britannia was referred to on a number of Roman coins (sometimes as Brit in the legend) but having the full name spelled out is not common. The British also used a version of Britannia for many years on their coins.

    I am not sure if the auction house was correct in referring to this as the first appearance of Britannia on a coin, but I know it is at least a very early depiction.

    I am quite excited that I have won this coin and can hardly wait to receive the coin. Because it was a Canadian auction it will not be long, plus I do not have to worry about currency conversion.

    Please post your coins of Britannia, coins of Hadrian, or anything else you consider relevant.





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    Hadrian AS
    (24mm, 7.52g)
    Obv: Laureate bust r.
    Rev: Britannia std. facing r., hd. propped on hand, holding sceptre with large shield at side.
    RIC 577b; gF, turquoise patina;
    Rare - first representation of Britannia on Roman coinage.
     
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  3. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    wow! neat coin Orfew...i got a peep who would love to see it..:)
     
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  4. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    I saw this one (put in a couple of cheap bids on other coins, and lost)... I stayed away because I was worried it was a cast. (Really looks like it in the photo.) But you saw it in hand... are you sure it isn't cast?
     
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  5. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    I am sure. I held it in my hand and looked at it very closely. I also trust the person from the auction.
     
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  6. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Great! That’s probably why you got such a good deal. :)
     
  7. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    Back in the 80's and 90's when I was a collector of Hadrian I bought one of these on a trip to London. I had just come out of the British Museum and wandered into CoinCraft (I assume they are still there). I found one of these in nice VF for 60 pounds. It was a local field find, so it was a pretty cool coin for me at the time. Of course I no longer have it.
     
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  8. Milesofwho

    Milesofwho Omnivorous collector

    They indeed are. I bought a proof set from them.
     
  9. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    I looked on OCRE and there are 10 examples. 6 or 7 of them are field finds. They are reported finds with the PAS.
     
  10. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Nice catch @Orfew! I have been seeking a decent example of the Hadrian Sestertius for many years but, as you discovered, they are very hard to find - and very expensive. I have passed (much to my regret now) on some examples in rough condition over the years - I have finally given up the pursuit and, as you can see, filled the slot with a replica. I have owned several examples of the Hadrian As that you posted, but I let them all go because they were too rough for my taste - now I wish I would have kept one example. Your coin is excellent with a very clear “Britannia” in the reverse exergue which makes it a very desirable collector coin. The Antoninus Pius As that I depict below has the same depiction of Britannia (and legend) as the Hadrian coins and, in my experience, has always been easier to find in nicer condition and at a cheaper price - although the one I depict here is rough.

    When I was a young boy (in the 1930s) the copper pennies and half- pennies in circulation had Britannia reverses - I have included a photo of a 1929 (my birth year) penny. I also have included photos of a couple of examples of Britannia reverses on other British coins. Follow the Royal Mint link for a brief history of the Britannia coin reverse.

    Royal Mint Web Page: Britannia on British Coins.

    Roman Coins with Britannia Inscriptions

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    RIC Vol. II, HADRIAN, Sestertius, No. 845 - REPLICA COIN
    Obverse: Hadrian, laureate head right
    Inscription: HADRIANVS AVG COS III PP
    Reverse: Britannia seated half left with feet on rocks holding sceptre with shield to right
    Inscription: BRITANNIA - SC (in exergue)

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    RIC II, ANTONINUS PIUS, As, No. 934
    Obverse: Antoninus Pius, laureate, draped, bust facing right
    Inscription clockwise from bottom: ANTONINVS AVG PIVS PP TRP XVIII
    Reverse: Britannia seated left on rock, shield and vexillum in background
    Inscription: BRITANNIA COS IIII - S C (exergue)

    British Coins with Britannia Inscriptions
    Derived from Roman coinage

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    BRITISH HALF PENNY TOKEN (legal tender at Liverpool & Bristol)
    Obverse: portrait of Admiral Lord Howe (victor over French Fleet)
    Inscription: EARL HOWE & THE GLORIOUS FIRST OF JUNE
    Reverse: Britannia, seated left, holding spear with right hand and resting left arm on shield
    Inscription: RULE BRITANNIA - 1794 (in exergue)

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    BRITISH TWO PENCE (Circulated)
    Obverse: George III, laureate and draped bust, facing right
    Inscription: GEORGIUS III D G REX
    Reverse: Britannia, seated left, on rock over ocean waves, cradling trident in left arm and holding olive branch in right hand
    Inscription: BRITANNIA - 1797

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    BRITISH PENNY (Circulated)
    Obverse: George V, bare headed, facing left
    Inscription: GEORGIVS V DEI GRA BRITT OMN REX FID DEF IND IMP
    Reverse: Britannia wearing Corinthian helmet, seated right, holding trident with left hand and supporting shield with right hand
    Inscription: ONE PENNY - 1929 (in exergue)
     
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  11. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    @Orfew:

    I added the following to my previous post via edit:

    Your coin is excellent with a very clear “Britannia” in the reverse exergue which makes it a very desirable collector coin.
     
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  12. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Thank you @jamesicus

    It was the clear lettering of Britannia that attracted me to the coin.

    Thanks also for your excellent post above on the history behind representations of Britannia on coins.
     
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  13. britannia40

    britannia40 Well-Known Member

    I really love Britannia coins hence the name. I have a almost complete victoria 1/2D set and semi Victoria 1D set. but I sold them to make room for my daughters Chinese set. I did keep a complete 1770-1807 complete 1/2D set. Most are MS. I also kept a 1797 AU55 2D. And one AU58 1752. I obtained all raw then graded them after for the registry set.
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  14. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Well @britannia40, your enthusiasm for Britannic coins is very evident! :)
    Of course, I applaud you for that, but let me add a comment that is offered by me in the most friendly and respectful way: some members of this Forum may not like your posting of so many encapsulated (slabbed) “modern” coins. I think it is safe to say that slabbed coins are generally not liked by this community. So in the interest of Forum tranquility I would, as Erin (and others) might say “cool it” in posting them :)

    I think many of us have “side” or mini-collections of Ancient (and/or) non-Ancient coins. I have one: silver crowns of Charles II (my favorite British Monarch). I seldom get to show them, so in a rather sneaky way here are a couple:

    Charles II 1662 silver Crown

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    CAROLVS · II·DEI·GRA · …………………… MAG·BR·FRA·ET·HIB·REX·1662·
    (Rose below draped bust)
    first and third reverse shields have English and French arms quartered

    Edge Inscription: * + * DECVS ET TVTAMEN
    (An Ornament and a Safeguard)

    Diameter: 40mm (first issue large flan)
    Weight: 29.57gm

    Charles II 1671 silver Crown

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    CAROLVS·II · DEI·GRATIA ...............……… MAG
    BR·FRA·ET·HIB·REX·16(71)·

    Edge Inscription: · DECVS · ET · TVTAMEN · ANNO · REGNI · VICESIMO · TERTIO
    (An Ornament and a Safeguard)

    Diameter: 38mm
    Weight: 29.58gm
     
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  15. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Congratulations, Andrew, in obtaining a coin for your collection that means so much to you!:). Very nice.
    (I guess it is similar with me with coins bearing the VARVS countermark...)
     
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  16. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Artist & Historian Supporter

    Nice historical piece! Congratulations on such a find.
     
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  17. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Am I the only one thinking that it has a "soft" look?
     
  18. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    No, Sev speculated about that upthread and I also wonder. Is it possible for a patina to be so thick that it causes that soapy device-field appearance so uniformly all over the coin?

    Edited: The examples in OCRE are all weakly struck and one has a similarly soapy appearance.
     
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  19. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I missed his comment. It will be interesting to see how the coin is in hand.
     
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  20. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I gather that Orfew attended the auction and lot-viewed.

     
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  21. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    While I did not attend the auction, I did, as @TIF mentioned, have the opportunity to examine this coin in hand back in August. It is perfectly acceptable "in hand".
     
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